Fw: For Hines to digest Fw: Sensible Crossposting To Genealo

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: For Hines to digest Fw: Sensible Crossposting To Genealo

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 02 sep 2007 02:38:04

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: For Hines to digest Fw: Sensible Crossposting To
Genealogical,Cultural, Military And Historical Newsgroups


Leo, Spencer is taking an (undue) advantage of his reading it a different
way:

When you wrote of Kirk Douglas AND descendants of Peter Stuyvesant as
being "amongst the descendants", without distinction, you were effectively
using "amongst" in both ways that I defined, simultaneously.

This is a strain that the word can hardly bear. In a limited sense this
can be right, since_ all_ of the people you named were surrounded by an
assembly of descendants, but some of them were part of this and _one_ was
not.

==========This last is not correct. The Portuguese Infanta mentioned also
became linked by marriage, she also did not have Stuyvesant blood.
(I placed the emphasis on all and one).
So, taking further the example from Funk and Wagnells, it is like saying
"Amongst the trees were an oak, an elm, a beech and a house". This
literally is true from one narrow angle, as you read the original
statement, but not from a wider perspective, as Spencer and others read
it.
========= If there is more than one perspective, I have the right to chose

one and Hines can chose the other. Especially as both versions, as you say,
are acceptable.
That he couldn't point this out as a collegial tip, to a busy & frequent
poster who learned English as a second language - while separately seeking
an end to the battle - is an ongoing problem for Spencer, but it need not
remain one for you or the rest of SGM.

Peter Stewart


"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1666.1188683274.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Read and digest it-----and then still say I was wrong.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural,Military And
Historical Newsgroups


Leo, "among" and "amongst" are used in a lot of ways that accord with
your understanding - for instance, Funk and Wagnells Standard Dictionary
gives as an example for its primary definition "a house among the
trees", where quite obviously the house is not suppsoed to _be_ a tree
any more than in your oringal post Kirk Douglas was supposed to _be_ a
descendant.

The word can indicate both "one of an assembly", as Spencer insists, and
"one surrounded by an assembly", as you meant.

In the context of dicsussion on SGM it is, in general, preferable to
stick with the first because the scope for misunderstanding is minimal.
But in the course of daily posting to a newsgroup none of us can be
always precise in language. It would be a dull place if this became our
highest proirity.

Peter Stewart






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