Fw: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 01 sep 2007 10:27:04

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: alt.history.british, sci.military.naval,
soc.culture.scottish,soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
us.military.army
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural,Military And
Historical Newsgroups


...And who refused to accept my offer of Peace & Friendship and threw it
back in my face?...

===========Was that addressed to me? It did not look like it.
Leo van de Pas -- who just kept on firing -- even though they were
blanks --
completely non-substantive.

========= If you look at the trend, I was replying to Hines' stupid
messages, he was leading and I foolishly followed him
So...

I'm certainly not going to stop pointing out his gaffes and errors, as in:
============What is good for the goose is good for the gander. You maintain

it is possible to have an as complete as possible descendants list, fully
detailed----and without spouses---------show us one
1. Not understanding what a DESCENDANT is and stupidly refusing to admit
to
his error.
=================What was my error? Understanding that "amongst descendants"

spouses are an essential part, especially when many generations are
displayed.
2. CONFUSING Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New Jersey.
========== I haven't looked at this as yet, I have better things to do.



Hines thinks he is so humorous and knowledgeable. I think his appreciation
for this should be shared and go a bit further than just gen-med,


With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
The names don't even sound the same.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
-----------------------------------

"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:Iv7Ci.29237$4A1.2411@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

What a difference a day makes....

Yesterday someone (else?) called D. Spencer Hines wrote:

D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:CPLBi.104$YE3.357@eagle.america.net...

That's really overly harsh.

Why can't we all just get along?

Todd is trying to whip up hate and discontent among the posters here --
and
I don't think that's called for at all.

We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
kvetch.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Pax et Amicitia

Peace And Friendship

"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188513051.808779.123910@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

My complement to Todd and Don stands. As does my complement last week
regarding the lovely portraits displayed on Leo's database. Both are
sincere sentiments on my part.

In their defense, you are no "complement" to Don and Todd, or to Leo's
database, by any stretch of the imagination.

And your compliments to them were backhanders. You wouldn't know a
"sincere
sentiment" served on a plate with watercress.

Peter Stewart

And who thought it wouldn't last?

Peter Stewart

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:S77Ci.145$YE3.388@eagle.america.net...

"Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no
next
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what
Kuniko thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a
family". Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an
essential part of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife
has no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm
not talking about Leo's boyfriends.

1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".

2. THIS is what he wrote:

"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant
family, I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought
together and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst
the descendants of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift,
Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott
zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy against Hitler), Princess Maria
Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas

3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a
STUYVESANT.

Kirk Douglas is NOT.

4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!

Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!

A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English
language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....

Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.

His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of
New Jersey.

Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.

Enjoy!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum



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Peter Stewart

Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural,Military

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 01 sep 2007 11:10:41

Leo, "among" and "amongst" are used in a lot of ways that accord with your
understanding - for instance, Funk and Wagnells Standard Dictionary gives as
an example for its primary definition "a house among the trees", where quite
obviously the house is not suppsoed to _be_ a tree any more than in your
oringal post Kirk Douglas was supposed to _be_ a descendant.

The word can indicate both "one of an assembly", as Spencer insists, and
"one surrounded by an assembly", as you meant.

In the context of dicsussion on SGM it is, in general, preferable to stick
with the first because the scope for misunderstanding is minimal. But in the
course of daily posting to a newsgroup none of us can be always precise in
language. It would be a dull place if this became our highest proirity.

Peter Stewart


"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1639.1188638877.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: alt.history.british, sci.military.naval,
soc.culture.scottish,soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
us.military.army
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural,Military And
Historical Newsgroups


...And who refused to accept my offer of Peace & Friendship and threw it
back in my face?...

===========Was that addressed to me? It did not look like it.

Leo van de Pas -- who just kept on firing -- even though they were
blanks --
completely non-substantive.

========= If you look at the trend, I was replying to Hines' stupid
messages, he was leading and I foolishly followed him

So...

I'm certainly not going to stop pointing out his gaffes and errors, as
in:
============What is good for the goose is good for the gander. You
maintain it is possible to have an as complete as possible descendants
list, fully detailed----and without spouses---------show us one

1. Not understanding what a DESCENDANT is and stupidly refusing to admit
to
his error.
=================What was my error? Understanding that "amongst
descendants" spouses are an essential part, especially when many
generations are displayed.

2. CONFUSING Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New Jersey.
========== I haven't looked at this as yet, I have better things to do.


Hines thinks he is so humorous and knowledgeable. I think his appreciation
for this should be shared and go a bit further than just gen-med,


With best wishes
Leo van de Pas

The names don't even sound the same.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
-----------------------------------

"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:Iv7Ci.29237$4A1.2411@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

What a difference a day makes....

Yesterday someone (else?) called D. Spencer Hines wrote:

D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:CPLBi.104$YE3.357@eagle.america.net...

That's really overly harsh.

Why can't we all just get along?

Todd is trying to whip up hate and discontent among the posters here --
and
I don't think that's called for at all.

We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
kvetch.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Pax et Amicitia

Peace And Friendship

"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188513051.808779.123910@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

My complement to Todd and Don stands. As does my complement last week
regarding the lovely portraits displayed on Leo's database. Both are
sincere sentiments on my part.

In their defense, you are no "complement" to Don and Todd, or to Leo's
database, by any stretch of the imagination.

And your compliments to them were backhanders. You wouldn't know a
"sincere
sentiment" served on a plate with watercress.

Peter Stewart

And who thought it wouldn't last?

Peter Stewart

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:S77Ci.145$YE3.388@eagle.america.net...

"Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no
next
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what
Kuniko thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a
family". Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an
essential part of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife
has no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm
not talking about Leo's boyfriends.

1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".

2. THIS is what he wrote:

"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant
family, I have digested this and made a file just to see what it
brought
together and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst
the descendants of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift,
Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott
zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy against Hitler), Princess Maria
Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas

3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a
STUYVESANT.

Kirk Douglas is NOT.

4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!

Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!

A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English
language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....

Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he
wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.

His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean
of
New Jersey.

Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.

Enjoy!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum



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D. Spencer Hines

Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural,Military

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 01 sep 2007 17:07:06

" 2. CONFUSING Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New Jersey."

DSH -- 31 August 2007

========== I haven't looked at this as yet, I have better things to do.

Leo van de Pas
------------------------------------------------------

Translation From The Leo Non-Responsive Answer:

"I don't have time to clean up my old gaffes, like the one I made about
listing Kirk Douglas as a Stuyvesant Descendant, and this error from
yesterday in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New Jersey,
and I don't have time to learn how their names are pronounced either --
because I'm working on creating NEW gaffes and errors -- which have a HIGHER
PRIORITY than cleaning up MY OLD gaffes and errors. WARNING: Drawing
further attention to these OLD gaffes and errors of mine will result in a
massive hissy fit on my part."

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

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