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Culloden

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 aug 2007 17:17:02

Its somewhat interesting that nobody has mentioned the Scot prisoners of the
Battle of Culloden.
Theses were treated cruelly by the English (under Cromwell) and many died on
the death march. In addition, it was decided to execute every tenth one. One
clever prisoner counted and saw he was a tenth man so he feigned collapse
before they got to him and it was the man next to him that was shot
A number of these prisoners were transported to America and sold as
indentured servants, particulary at the Saugus Ironworks in Mass.I am not certain of
how widely these people were disbursed in America. (I believe there were also
prisoners from another battle that were separately transported, but ,if so, the
details are not known)

The ruins of these ironworks is a federal park site and one can obtain a
short write up of the Scots prisoners for a modest fee from that site.

In addition, sometime, I believe in the 1920's, a more detailed article was
published by the Mass. Hist Society and one can obtain, for a fee, copies of
that article. I believe there was also an article in the Essex Genealogist in
the last year or so

Many of the prisoners did not speak English. It is speculated that some of
the prisoners were married men with families in Scotland but recognizing the
hopelesness of retuning, married again in America


Robert Bowman

Gjest

Re: Culloden

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 aug 2007 17:17:03

On 25 Aug., 16:10, Rs...@cs.com wrote:
Its somewhat interesting that nobody has mentioned the Scot prisoners of the
Battle of Culloden.
Theses were treated cruelly by the English (under Cromwell) and many died on
the death march. In addition, it was decided to execute every tenth one. One
clever prisoner counted and saw he was a tenth man so he feigned collapse
before they got to him and it was the man next to him that was shot
A number of these prisoners were transported to America and sold as
indentured servants, particulary at the Saugus Ironworks in Mass.I am not certain of
how widely these people were disbursed in America. (I believe there were also
prisoners from another battle that were separately transported, but ,if so, the
details are not known)

The ruins of these ironworks is a federal park site and one can obtain a
short write up of the Scots prisoners for a modest fee from that site.

In addition, sometime, I believe in the 1920's, a more detailed article was
published by the Mass. Hist Society and one can obtain, for a fee, copies of
that article. I believe there was also an article in the Essex Genealogist in
the last year or so

Many of the prisoners did not speak English. It is speculated that some of
the prisoners were married men with families in Scotland but recognizing the
hopelesness of retuning, married again in America

Robert Bowman

I know it seems to be a free-for-all at the moment, but this has
nothing to do with mediaeval genealogy?

MA-R

Janet

Culloden

Legg inn av Janet » 25 aug 2007 20:10:03

One my family legend was Robert Coulter born Scotland about 1711 was in the
Battle of Culloden
I never seen or found a Coulter in Battle at all.
The Coulter Clan were merchants and they own ships but I not see or hear of
Merchants being in a Battle have any of you?

Now the story goes Robert Coulter had fled the Country because he was in the
Battle.
Now if had one of the ship the Clan members flew on OK
Here is the next thing Robert hide in Ireland a while had some of his
children there. The story gets crazier his was said to Stuart female. This
can not be proven either.
By 1770s is found in South Carolina with family
When Rev. War came he hide again. I know this makes wonder or I say check
what can find out and not believe every family story

I did find this and now I am wondering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Culloden


The Jacobite army which fought at the Battle of Culloden included men from:
Clan Stuart (Stewart), Clan MacDonald of Keppoch, Clan MacDonnell of
Glengarry, Clan MacDonald of Clan Ranald, Clan MacKinnon, Clan Cameron, Clan
Gordon, Clan Fraser, Clan MacGregor, Clan MacLean, Clan MacLeod, Clan
MacIntyre, Clan Ogilvy, Clan Chisholm, Clan MacLaren, Clan MacBain, Clan
MacLachlan, Clan MacNaghten, and Clan Chattan, composed of Clan Davidson,
Clan MacGillivray, Clan Macpherson, Clan MacKintosh, Clan MacDuff, and Clan
Farquharson.

If the Coulter had married into any of the Clans they could have fought
right?
Janet

Gordon Johnson

Re: Culloden

Legg inn av Gordon Johnson » 27 aug 2007 00:58:36

Janet wrote:
One my family legend was Robert Coulter born Scotland about 1711 was in the
Battle of Culloden
I never seen or found a Coulter in Battle at all.
The Coulter Clan were merchants and they own ships but I not see or hear of
Merchants being in a Battle have any of you?

Now the story goes Robert Coulter had fled the Country because he was in the
Battle.
Now if had one of the ship the Clan members flew on OK
Here is the next thing Robert hide in Ireland a while had some of his
children there. The story gets crazier his was said to Stuart female. This
can not be proven either.
By 1770s is found in South Carolina with family
When Rev. War came he hide again. I know this makes wonder or I say check
what can find out and not believe every family story

I did find this and now I am wondering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Culloden


The Jacobite army which fought at the Battle of Culloden included men from:
Clan Stuart (Stewart), Clan MacDonald of Keppoch, Clan MacDonnell of
Glengarry, Clan MacDonald of Clan Ranald, Clan MacKinnon, Clan Cameron, Clan
Gordon, Clan Fraser, Clan MacGregor, Clan MacLean, Clan MacLeod, Clan
MacIntyre, Clan Ogilvy, Clan Chisholm, Clan MacLaren, Clan MacBain, Clan
MacLachlan, Clan MacNaghten, and Clan Chattan, composed of Clan Davidson,
Clan MacGillivray, Clan Macpherson, Clan MacKintosh, Clan MacDuff, and Clan
Farquharson.

If the Coulter had married into any of the Clans they could have fought
right?
Janet
** The surname Coulter comes originally from Lanarkshire, NOT clan

territory, and anyway most of the population of Scotland were never part
of any clan. Clans were mostly groupings in the Highland areas based on
one or more landowners' territory. Many of the tenants took the
landowner's surname for self-protection, and fostered the Clan idea. You
did not have to marry into a clan; just adopt it. However, most of the
fighting men at Culloden on Prince Charles's side were forced by tenancy
rules to fight on behalf of the landowner, rather than by a desire to
uphold his claim to the throne of Britain. You can, of course, find
surnames of all kinds in Prince Charles' army, include Englishmen; just
as you had as many Scots fighting on the government side of the battle -
it was NOT Scotland versus England.
I suggest some more reading in depth might help you to understand the
situation. It will not help with your family genealogy.
Gordon Johnson.

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