VCh Rutland (Vol 2, p 226 sub Tickencote) gives some rudimentary
details of the life of Sir Roland Daneys.
It states he was a knight of the shire for Rutland, and died in 1362,
leaving a widow Elizabeth, who survived until 1377. He had a brother,
Oliver or Oger, whose son John was Roland's heir. According to the
Calendar of Patents Rolls, John's wardship was granted to John Goderic
on 13 June 1362. Roland held in chief.
VCH states that Roland and his brother were "probably sons of Brice
Daneys" (who previously held Tickencote; he ff 1287-1312 and was dead
by 1344).
Is anything more concrete about Roland's parentage known?
MAR
Parentage of Sir Roland Daneys
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Gjest
Re: Parentage of Sir Roland Daneys
On 24 Aug., 09:31, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
In the Guide to Tickencote Church, based on Blore's History of
Rutlandshire, it is noted that Sir Brice Daneys attempted to present
his son William to the living in 1299-1300. Although Sir Brice is
known to have lived to a good age, if he had a son old enough to enter
a living in 1300, it seems unlikely that Sir Roland (knighted in 1355)
should also be his son.
Does anyone have access to Blore's pedigree of the family, or the
Knights of Edward I entry for Daneys/Deneys?
MAR
VCh Rutland (Vol 2, p 226 sub Tickencote) gives some rudimentary
details of the life of Sir Roland Daneys.
It states he was a knight of the shire for Rutland, and died in 1362,
leaving a widow Elizabeth, who survived until 1377. He had a brother,
Oliver or Oger, whose son John was Roland's heir. According to the
Calendar of Patents Rolls, John's wardship was granted to John Goderic
on 13 June 1362. Roland held in chief.
VCH states that Roland and his brother were "probably sons of Brice
Daneys" (who previously held Tickencote; he ff 1287-1312 and was dead
by 1344).
Is anything more concrete about Roland's parentage known?
In the Guide to Tickencote Church, based on Blore's History of
Rutlandshire, it is noted that Sir Brice Daneys attempted to present
his son William to the living in 1299-1300. Although Sir Brice is
known to have lived to a good age, if he had a son old enough to enter
a living in 1300, it seems unlikely that Sir Roland (knighted in 1355)
should also be his son.
Does anyone have access to Blore's pedigree of the family, or the
Knights of Edward I entry for Daneys/Deneys?
MAR
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Alan Grey
Re: Parentage of Sir Roland Daneys
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Yes, it seems more likely that Roland was a grandson of Brice Daneys
(fl. 1272-aft.1318/21) rather than his son, although the latter is not
outside the bounds of reason. Roland was married before 1341 and was in
the position to be a trustee of someone's estate at that time, so was
presumably reasonably "mature". It is fairly safe to assume he was born
sometime before 1320, and perhaps more likely before 1316. This means
that technically Roland could be a son of Brice, though I think it
unlikely. Roland's knighthood in 1355 was apparently not as a young man.
Other than those musings, I can only add how Roland appears in
connection with other individuals. From surviving records it appears
that he was closest to William de Burton and his wife Elizabeth, and was
possibly related to one of them (or his wife was). In 1341 Roland
Daneys was one of the lords of Woodmancote, Sussex, probably as trustee
for William de Burton and his wife Elizabeth [VCH Sussex, Vol. 6,
p.160]. In 1344 Roland Daneys and his wife Elizabeth nominated William
de Burton, chivaler, and Godfrey Foljambe as their attorneys in Ireland
for two years while they stayed in England [CPR 1344, p.302]. In 1344
Roland Daneys was a creditor (also Thomas, son of William de Burton, and
others) to William de Burton, knight, of Berks., Lincs., and Sussex to
the tune of 2,000 marks [TNA C 241/118/338]. In 1351 Roland Daneys was
one of the trustees for William de Burton and Elizabeth his wife, of the
manors of Hertrugg and Tidecoumbe etc [CPR 1351, p.173].
Roland also received significant lands from Robert de Corby. In 1358
Robert de Corby of Kent granted the manor and advowson of Lyndon,
Rutland, held in chief, to Rolland Daneys, knt. [Leicester and Rutland
Rec. Office, Conant MSS, DG11/103b. See also CPR 1358, p.131 where
licence was given for the grant].
Alan R Grey
On 24 Aug., 09:31, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
VCh Rutland (Vol 2, p 226 sub Tickencote) gives some rudimentary
details of the life of Sir Roland Daneys.
It states he was a knight of the shire for Rutland, and died in 1362,
leaving a widow Elizabeth, who survived until 1377. He had a brother,
Oliver or Oger, whose son John was Roland's heir. According to the
Calendar of Patents Rolls, John's wardship was granted to John Goderic
on 13 June 1362. Roland held in chief.
VCH states that Roland and his brother were "probably sons of Brice
Daneys" (who previously held Tickencote; he ff 1287-1312 and was dead
by 1344).
Is anything more concrete about Roland's parentage known?
In the Guide to Tickencote Church, based on Blore's History of
Rutlandshire, it is noted that Sir Brice Daneys attempted to present
his son William to the living in 1299-1300. Although Sir Brice is
known to have lived to a good age, if he had a son old enough to enter
a living in 1300, it seems unlikely that Sir Roland (knighted in 1355)
should also be his son.
Yes, it seems more likely that Roland was a grandson of Brice Daneys
(fl. 1272-aft.1318/21) rather than his son, although the latter is not
outside the bounds of reason. Roland was married before 1341 and was in
the position to be a trustee of someone's estate at that time, so was
presumably reasonably "mature". It is fairly safe to assume he was born
sometime before 1320, and perhaps more likely before 1316. This means
that technically Roland could be a son of Brice, though I think it
unlikely. Roland's knighthood in 1355 was apparently not as a young man.
Other than those musings, I can only add how Roland appears in
connection with other individuals. From surviving records it appears
that he was closest to William de Burton and his wife Elizabeth, and was
possibly related to one of them (or his wife was). In 1341 Roland
Daneys was one of the lords of Woodmancote, Sussex, probably as trustee
for William de Burton and his wife Elizabeth [VCH Sussex, Vol. 6,
p.160]. In 1344 Roland Daneys and his wife Elizabeth nominated William
de Burton, chivaler, and Godfrey Foljambe as their attorneys in Ireland
for two years while they stayed in England [CPR 1344, p.302]. In 1344
Roland Daneys was a creditor (also Thomas, son of William de Burton, and
others) to William de Burton, knight, of Berks., Lincs., and Sussex to
the tune of 2,000 marks [TNA C 241/118/338]. In 1351 Roland Daneys was
one of the trustees for William de Burton and Elizabeth his wife, of the
manors of Hertrugg and Tidecoumbe etc [CPR 1351, p.173].
Roland also received significant lands from Robert de Corby. In 1358
Robert de Corby of Kent granted the manor and advowson of Lyndon,
Rutland, held in chief, to Rolland Daneys, knt. [Leicester and Rutland
Rec. Office, Conant MSS, DG11/103b. See also CPR 1358, p.131 where
licence was given for the grant].
Alan R Grey