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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Peter Stuyvesant

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 24 aug 2007 04:26:32

This request by Spencer Hines puzzles me.

For the last several years he has been to busy with "other things" to be
bothered with genealogy.

Also Spencer Hines has clearly displayed in his treatment of Peter Stewart
that what is given him in kindness one moment, the next it will be thrown
back into the face of that person. Why should I open myself to that kind of
treatment?

The information I collect, in the long run, will be accessible on my
website. Watch that space for the next update :-) Admittedly, the files I
make available make the information about a person's descendants much easier
accessible.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Peter Stuyvesant


Yes, do send it please to me.

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1201.1187910966.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the
descendants of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor
Roosevelt, Robert Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved
in the conspiracy against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca,
Infanta of Portugal, and many others.

If anyone is interested, let me know and I will send it.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas


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D. Spencer Hines

Re: Peter Stuyvesant

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 24 aug 2007 05:39:38

Leo, you said:

If anyone is interested, let me know and I will send it.

It seems I am in an excluded category.

A Party Of One?...

Do you really want to carry on this cat fight indefinitely?

It would seem so.

Peter Stewart has actually gone so far as to orchestrate a Boycott & Vilify
campaign against me.

I have NEVER done that against a SINGLE person on USENET. But you will note
that I've not responded in kind to his most recent rubbish-strewn attack --
which is appended below and compares me to a sadistic sergeant major who was
"justly" murdered.

Draw your own conclusions.

I'm trying to look FORWARD -- you apparently want to look BACKWARD.

Vide infra

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1209.1187926039.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

This request by Spencer Hines puzzles me.

For the last several years he has been to busy with "other things" to be
bothered with genealogy.

Also Spencer Hines has clearly displayed in his treatment of Peter Stewart
that what is given him in kindness one moment, the next it will be thrown
back into the face of that person. Why should I open myself to that kind
of treatment?

Leo, I didn't post ANYTHING which Peter disagreed to my posting.

The information I collect, in the long run, will be accessible on my
website. Watch that space for the next update :-) Admittedly, the files I
make available make the information about a person's descendants much
easier accessible.

Of course, which is, I guess why you don't want to send it to me.

Why don't you just post a link to the Peter Stuyvesant download at your web
site?

Thank you.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Peter Stuyvesant

Yes, do send it please to me.

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1201.1187910966.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant
family, I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought
together and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the
descendants of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor
Roosevelt, Robert Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz
(involved in the conspiracy against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de
Braganca, Infanta of Portugal, and many others.

If anyone is interested, let me know and I will send it.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: Contributions of D. Spencer Hines

"Richard Smyth at Road Runner" <smyth@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.1165.1187882663.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Nothing would come as a more welcome relief to me than [a]n end to
these
tiresome exchanges: the aim is to impress on the very stupid and slow
Brandon, as on Hines, that further lies and imbecilities will only
bring on
worse embarrassment from every single vexatious post. The alternatives
to
this have demonstrably NOT worked. Eventually this attempt might. You
and
Todd have NO evidence to conclude otherwise, and indeed there is
plainly
some to the contrary of your wishful view.

In previous postings Stewart has said that the fact that Hines stopped
posting
after Stewart had whacked him was proof that Hines stopped posting
because
Stewart had whacked him.

This is not what I have said: my point is that Hines took off from SGM
after _he_ had made such a fool of himself in front of this intelligent
and critical audience that he thought it better to sit out of discussion
here for a time. I think this could and should happen again. He is clearly
not insenate, as he tries rather feebly to defend himself at times and
resorts to sillier & more hysterical capitalisations and fibs -
orthographic and factual distortions - when running low on his phoney
self-confidence.

My contribution to this was just to demonstrate the proofs and expound the
logic that, along with the well-deserved ridicule and insults, provoked
him into further, more stupid and more corrosive self-revelations - just
like this time round.

The fatal trouble for Hines as a controversialist is that he hates himself
more than he hates the truth, or anyone else.

The experiment that Don and Todd reject in advance has never been tried,
and I only propose it without the certainty of success: this is, that
EVERY reader who disdains the nonsense and lies from any poster should SAY
SO, all a the same time. If there are hundreds of subscribers altogether,
the shock of this _might_ be a rather heavy straw to break the feral
dromedaries' backs, when they are depending on the complicit silence of
readers to get a feeling of twisted vindication, or false victory.

Bullies are always the same inadequate and cowardly beast, underneath
whatever appearances they present. Australia produces ts share, but we do
tend to despise the type more than most, perhaps from the cultural
heritage of convicts up against sadistic prison guards.

There is a famous story of a sergeat-major in a transit barracks at
Regents Park in wartime: he was a notorious piece of work who had
brutalised servicemen from Canada, America, South Africa, New Zealand,
with impunity, every day for some time. Then the first Australian troops
came through late one night - and the next morning he was found floating
in the Maida Vale canal, with a knife in his ribs.

Peter Stewart

Peter Stewart

Re: Peter Stuyvesant

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 24 aug 2007 06:00:56

On Aug 24, 2:39 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
Leo, you said:

If anyone is interested, let me know and I will send it.

It seems I am in an excluded category.

A Party Of One?...

Do you really want to carry on this cat fight indefinitely?

It would seem so.

Peter Stewart has actually gone so far as to orchestrate a Boycott & Vilify
campaign against me.

An orchestra responds to a conductor - the readership on the whole has
not responded to my proposal, that is in any case to make clear their
opinions of ALL vexatious posters (they may all think that I am one
too, or the worst, as far as can be known from their silence).
Suggesting that Hines is not fit to be joshed with is also not the
same as a "boycott" campaign - there is no way that a poster can be
banned from SGM, so there is no point pretending that I have tried to
accomplish this.

I have NEVER done that against a SINGLE person on USENET. But you will
note that I've not responded in kind to his most recent rubbish-strewn attack --
which is appended below and compares me to a sadistic sergeant major who was
"justly" murdered.

Draw your own conclusions.

The only conclusion to be drawn is that you are paranoid, as well as
patently unwilling now to expose yourself further by continuing the
fight you started.

The story of the murdered NCO was meant to illustrate the intolerance
of Australians for bullying. That is ALL. Hine is one bully, this was
about another. No suggestion that one stands for all, or that Hines
should be knifed and thrown into a canal.

From my recollection of the story, an inquiry concluded that the man's
death was due to "misadventure". I don't wish you even the smallest

accident. Unlike you, I don't revel in the injuries, poor health or
disabilities of others.

I'm trying to look FORWARD -- you apparently want to look BACKWARD.

I don't speak for Leo, but the eventuality I most look forward to in
regard to Hines is his departure from SGM. The sooner, and the more
permanent, the better. If he chooses to stay and amend his behaviour,
that too would be - somewhat less, but still - welcome.

Peter Stewart

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Peter Stuyvesant

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 24 aug 2007 09:07:51

Aha, we now have a NEW V-WORD -- Vexatious -- to add to our two previous
ones -- Vendetta -- and Venom, the latter Don Stone's contribution.

Peter is also having a basic vocabulary problem and obviously does not
understand the meaning of the word BOYCOTT.

He confuses it with BAN, EXPEL, EJECT or EXILE.

DSH

"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1187931656.509152.52690@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

An orchestra responds to a conductor - the readership on the whole has
not responded to my proposal, that is in any case to make clear their
opinions of ALL vexatious posters (they may all think that I am one
too, or the worst, as far as can be known from their silence).
Suggesting that Hines is not fit to be joshed with is also not the
same as a "boycott" campaign - there is no way that a poster can be
banned from SGM, so there is no point pretending that I have tried to
accomplish this.

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