Offer to assist DR was Fw: Maud de Holand, wife of Hugh de C

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Leo van de Pas

Offer to assist DR was Fw: Maud de Holand, wife of Hugh de C

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 23 aug 2007 06:41:55

Dear Douglas,

I feel I am dim (and I am not the only one) can you spell out better what
you are referring to? Like Volume 1.3 Tafel 5? I do not understand what you
mean with Pt What are you looking for? I will gladly inspect it for you ,
or if I can (possibly in two halves) scan this Tafel for you. Let me know
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas.
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval,soc.history.medieval,alt.history.british
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Maud de Holand, wife of Hugh de Courtenay, Knt.,and Waleran de
Luxembourg, Count of Ligny & St.-Pol


Dear Newsgroup ~

As John Higgins has indicated, the current Family History Library
catalog indicates that the Family History Library holds Vol. 1, Pt.1-3
of the new series of Europäische Stammtafeln. They also hold Vol. 2,
Vol. 3, Pt. 1-5, and Volumes 4-21, all in the new series prepared by
Detlev Schwennicke.

What Mr. Higgins doesn't know is that Vol. 1, Pts. 1-3, Vol. 3, Pt. 5,
and Volumes 14-21 are not presently on the shelf. As far as I know,
Volume 1, Parrts 1-3 have NEVER been put out on the shelf. Rather,
the catalog indicates that most of the missing volumes are on
permanent loan, which fact Mr. Higgins sadly overlooked in his post
today. That means that these volumes are held in private by the
library staff and are not kept on the public shelves. See the weblink
below for the volumes with the "On Loan" designation which includes
Vol. 1, Pt. 2:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0

At such time as I have an opportunity to view the revised Luxembourg
chart in Vol. 1, Pt. 2, I should be happy to comment on its content.
If Mr. Higgins is correct that the revised chart is an improvement
over the older Luxembourg chart in Vol. 6, pg. 28, that is well and
good. However, my comments about the errors and omissions of the
older Luxembourg chart in Vol. 6, pg. 28 published in 1978 still
stand.

I note that Mr. Higgins tells us that the revised Luxembourg chart by
Mr. Schwennicke indicates that Bonne de Bar, Countess of Ligny and
Saint-Pol, left a will dated in 1536. If so, I should like to report
it immediately to Guiness Book of Records, as Bonne would have been
over 150 years old at the time of the making of this will. Surely
Mr. Higgins meant 1436, which is the year Bonne is stated to have died
in the following source:.

Société des naturalistes et archéologues du nord de la Meuse, 12
(1900): 10.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah




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Re: Offer to assist DR was Fw: Maud de Holand, wife of Hugh

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 23 aug 2007 07:09:01

On Aug 22, 11:41 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au>
wrote:
< Dear Douglas,
<
< I feel I am dim (and I am not the only one) can you spell out better
what
< you are referring to? Like Volume 1.3 Tafel 5? I do not understand
what you
< mean with Pt What are you looking for? I will gladly inspect it for
you ,
< or if I can (possibly in two halves) scan this Tafel for you. Let me
know
< With best wishes
< Leo van de Pas.
< Canberra, Australia

Dear Leo ~

Thank you for your very kind offer.

Mr. Higgins indicates that there is a revised (and improved)
Luxembourg chart found in Europäische Stammtafeln, Volume 1, Part 2,
Tafel 231. This volume was published in 1999: If you have this
chart, by all means, I'd very much appreciate if you would post the
particulars regarding Waleran de Luxembourg, Count of Ligny and Saint-
Pol (died 1415), and his two wives, Maud de Holand and Bonne de Bar,
and regarding Waleran's issue.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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