Harleian MSS

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Monica Kanellis

Harleian MSS

Legg inn av Monica Kanellis » 16 aug 2007 19:24:22

dear group,

Is there an easy way to look up a pedigree in one of the Harleian MSS if one
has the volume number etc.?

best,

Monica

AdrianBnjmBurke

Re: Harleian MSS

Legg inn av AdrianBnjmBurke » 16 aug 2007 19:34:49

On Aug 16, 2:24 pm, "Monica Kanellis" <monica.kanel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
dear group,

Is there an easy way to look up a pedigree in one of the Harleian MSS if one
has the volume number etc.?

best,

Monica

Depends - is the pedigree from a visitation? if so many of the
published visitations are now on google books - you could try doing a
search for the person on google books including 'visitation' in the
search..... the H. Society sells on their websites their books and cd
roms as well....

Monica Kanellis

Re: Harleian MSS

Legg inn av Monica Kanellis » 16 aug 2007 19:48:29

It is likely the expanded pedigree which seems to have been added to the
visitation by a later editor (though the unedited portion is in itself quite
specific). What I am interested in was to see where the pedigree originated.
If it came from the family themselves, as the source indicated, then it may
carry more weight.

mk


On 8/16/07, AdrianBnjmBurke <adrianbenjaminburke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 2:24 pm, "Monica Kanellis" <monica.kanel...@gmail.com
wrote:
dear group,

Is there an easy way to look up a pedigree in one of the Harleian MSS if
one
has the volume number etc.?

best,

Monica

Depends - is the pedigree from a visitation? if so many of the
published visitations are now on google books - you could try doing a
search for the person on google books including 'visitation' in the
search..... the H. Society sells on their websites their books and cd
roms as well....


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Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Harleian MSS

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 16 aug 2007 20:35:13

In article <mailman.655.1187290136.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>,
"Monica Kanellis" <monica.kanellis@gmail.com> wrote:

It is likely the expanded pedigree which seems to have been added to the
visitation by a later editor (though the unedited portion is in itself quite
specific). What I am interested in was to see where the pedigree originated.
If it came from the family themselves, as the source indicated, then it may
carry more weight.

Only some of the Harleian MSS are of visitation pedigrees. Many are
compilations of pedigrees (many of them by heralds) but not connected to
a specific visitation. To find a pedigree in a Harleian MS which is not
from a visitation, I think the only way is to look at the old catalogue
of the collection, in four folio volumes, which lists, pedigree by
pedigree, the contents of each volume:

_A Catalogue of the Harleian Manuscripts in the British Museum_, 4 vols.
(London, 1808-1812).

For visitations there are more resources. There's an old index of
(?all) the visitation pedigrees found in the Harleian MSS, most recently
reprinted in Cecil Humphery-Smith's _Armigerous Ancestors_ --

Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, _Armigerous Ancestors: A catalogue of sources
for the study of the Visitations of the Heralds in the 16th and 17th
centuries, with referenced lists of names_ (1997).

This book also has an up-to-date list of all the MSS (Harleian, CoA or
other) which pertain to specific visitations, but it has no family-level
indexing of non-Harleian MSS.

The _Amerigerous Ancestors_ volume doesn't show precisely which MSS are
the 'original' versions of the visitations and which are copies, but
makes some gestures in that direction. As for getting a copy--if you're
looking for a copy from a MS held by the CoA, the only way to get the
original version may be to pay CoA for a certified transcription (do
they supply photocopies of MSS? I thought they don't, as a rule.).

But even on an original visitation MS leaf--jotted down in the herald's
hand and autographed by the informant--it is hard to know precisely
where the informant would have got his information. And a family member
was not necessarily (in fact not likely) the best informant on
information more than two generations old.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

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