Dear Newsgroup ~
I recently had occasion to research the history of Alice [de] Perrers,
the notorious mistress of King Edward III of England, and her
children. The results of that research are found below. Due to the
excessive length of this post, the material will be broken up into
three parts. The information below both expands and corrects our
knowledge in many points regarding the history of Alice [de} Perrers
and her children. For instance, it has recently come to light that
Alice [de] Perrers was earlier the widow and executrix of Janyn
Perrers, of London, which Janyn was living 24 June 1360 [see Chaucer
Review, 40 (2006): 219-229]. This important new discovery by the
historian, Mark Ormrod, is a welcome new addition to the Wyndesore
account found in Complete Peerage, 12(2) (1959): 877-880.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Alice [de] Perrers, mistress of King Edward III, and her children:
Part I
According to several modern historians, King Edward III of England
allegedly had two or three illegitimate children by his mistress,
Alice [de] Perrers (or Perers, Pereres, Perriers). See, for example,
Given-Wilson, Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984): 136-137;
Hicks, Who's Who in Late Medieval England (1991): 119-120; Smith,
Human Biology & Hist. (Soc. for the Study of Human Biology Ser.: 42)
(2002): 66). Yet D.N.B. 15 (1909): 898-900 (biog. of Alice Perrers)
assigns none of Alice's children to King Edward III, and Bickley,
King's Favourites (1910): 62 says only the father of her two daughters
(both named Joan) "is a matter of dispute." According to Thomas
Walsingham, author of Chronicon Angliæ (a prejudiced source), Alice
was the daughter of an unnamed thatcher of Henney [presumably Hanney
in Berkshire], and that in her earlier life she had earlier been the
household drudge and concubine to a certain unnamed individual. In
contrast, Gyll, Hist. of Wraysbury (1862): 203-204 claimed that Alice
was "was not ignobly born, and was either daughter or granddaughter"
of Richard de Perrers, Knt. (died c.1340), of Knebworth,
Hertfordshire, Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire. Evidence provided
in VCH Hertford, 3 (1912): 111-118 indicates, however, that the issue
of Sir Richard de Perrers was extinct before 1398, at which date Alice
de Perrers is known to have still been living. More recent research
by the historian, W.M. Ormrod, has shown that the king's mistress,
Alice de Perrers, was the widow and executrix of Janyn Perrers, of
London, who was living 24 June 1360 [see Chaucer Review 40 (2006): 219-
229]. Alice's Perrers marriage is further confirmed by a deed dated
10 Dec. 1374, in which she styled herself "Alice Perrier, widow" [see
Complete Peerage, 12(2) (1959): 879, footnote a; Holmes The Good
Parliament (1975): 97, footnote 7]. Janyn Perrers' date of death is
unknown, but he was doubtless deceased sometime before 18 December
1362, when John de Mereworth, Knt., obtained a license to enfeoff
Alice Perrers and John de Hanneye, parson of Trottiscliffe, Kent, of
the manor of West Peckham, Kent, and for them to grant the same to him
for life. It is thought that the king's liaison with Alice began as
early as 1364, as on 9 Dec. 1364 John de Hatfeld, Gilbert Bonet,
vintner, and others citizens of London mainprised Richard Lyons "to
keep the peace with Alice de Perers, and not to interfere with her
going where she wished on the King's business and on her own." In
1365 Alice sued Richard de Kent, stockfishmonger, for the return of
200 marks which she had lent him; which debt was admitted by the
defendant and he was committed to prison; afterwards Alice consented
to his release. Sometime before 1366, Alice became a damsel of the
chamber to Queen Philippe of Hainault, wife of King Edward III. In
that year she was granted two tuns of Gascon wine yearly "for long
service" to Queen Philippe. In 1367 the king granted Alice the
wardship of the lands of Robert de Tilliol, deceased, together with
the marriage of the heir; in 1370 the king "of his more abundant
grace" further granted Alice the keeping of the lands of Felice, late
widow of Robert de Tilliol, to hold during the minority of the heir.
In 1367 Alice acquired the manor of Ardington, Berkshire without
license from John de Cobham, Knt., and John of Gaunt, Duke of
Lancaster, for which action she was pardoned in 1368. In 1368 Alice
was granted license to enfeoff John de Hanneye, John de Ploufeld, and
William Gresleye, chaplains, with the manor of Ardington, Berkshire;
the same feoffees were likewise pardoned by the king for acquiring the
manor of Meonstoke, Hampshire from Thomas de la Bere without license
for the benefit of Alice. The same year Alice and her heirs were
granted a plot called 'Manylawes [Moneylaws],' Northumberland, then in
the king's hand as an escheat. In 1369 Alice, then styled of London,
was granted permission to grant two parts of the manor of Moneylaws,
Northumberland and the reversion of the third part to Henry del
Strother for life. In late 1369 or early 1370 Alan de Buxhall granted
to Alice the keeping of the lands of the Joan de Orreby, deceased, and
the marriage of Joan's heir; in May 1370 the king further granted
Alice the keeping of the lands of Margaret, mother of Joan de Orreby,
which Margaret had held in dower or for life of the inheritance of
Joan. In 1370 the manor of Compton Murdak, Warwickshire was conveyed
by Sir Thomas Murdak to William de Greseley, clerk, who in turn
conveyed it in 1373 to John Bernes of London and others, presumably
all of whom were acting as feoffees for Alice Perrers. In 1371 Alice
conveyed to the king all her lands and tenements in Dertford,
Wilmington, Stone, etc., Kent which she had of the gift of Nicholas de
Holbourne, citizen of London. The same year she sued John Straunge
for poaching in her free warren at Compton Murdak, Warwickshire.
Sometime before 1371, William de Salesby and Christina his wife,
William's mother, Joan, Alice de Perrers, and John Hanney, chaplain
purchased a messuage called the Fleur de Lis in Canterbury, Kent; in
1371, Joan and Alice released their right in the messuage to William
by a deed made at Pallingswick (in Fulham), Middlesex (then Alice's
residence). Sometime before 1372, Alice acquired the manor of
Philiberts (in Hanney), Berkshire. In 1372-1373 Alice acquired
various lands, rents, and services called 'Northbrokes' in Fulham,
Middlesex from John Flemmyng, of Norwich, and his wife, Margaret. In
1373-1374 Alice, William Mulsho, and John Freford, clerks, demised to
John Mory and John Badell the manor of Veisies in Stratford, Suffolk
for a term of 4 years. In 1374 she loaned £1,000 to John Brett, Knt.,
of Nottinghamshire. In November 1375 Walter Fitz Walter, Knt., 3rd
Lord Fitz Walter, being captured in the war in France, mortaged his
castle and lordship of Egremont, Cumberland to Alice for £1,000 to pay
his ransom, on condition that he repay the said £1,000 within ten
years. Alice married after Nov. 1375 (when it was confirmed by a jury
that she was single) but before April 1376 WILLIAM DE WINDSOR (or
WYNDESORE), Knt., Lord Windsor, of Grayrigg, Heversham, Holme, and
Morland, Westmorland, Joint Warden of the West March towards Scotland,
Sheriff of Cumberland and Keeper of Carlisle Castle, 1367-1368, King's
Lieutenant in Ireland, 1369-1372, 1373-1376, Keeper of the Castle and
Town of Cherbourg, son and heir of Alexander de Windsor, of Grayrigg,
Heversham, and Morland, Westmorland, by his wife, Elizabeth. He was
born 1322-1328 (of age before August 1349). In 1376 the Good
Parliament sentenced Alice to banishment and forfeiture, but in the
following year, the Bad Parliament reversed this sentence, and she
regained her possessions. In May 1377 Alice's feoffees, John de
Freton, clerk, Robert Brome (or Broun), and Hugh Cotyngham, clerk,
were granted the reversion of various manors in Devon and Cornwall
held for life by Sir James de Audley, Knt., Lord Audley. In the first
Parliament of King Richard II, she was brought before the lords at the
request of the commons, and the original sentence against her was
confirmed 22 Dec. 1377. On 5 Jan. 1378 King Richard II granted the
inn near the Thames and the houses adjoining its great gate in the
parish of All Hallows the Less, London "lately built by Alice de
Perieres" to his uncle, John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster. On 14
December 1379, the sentence against Alice was again revoked; she had
license to remain in the realm, though no concession was made for her
property. On 10 and 15 March 1379/80, William was placed in
possession of all the lands and reversions which Alice had held before
Dec. 1377, which grant was made conditional on his going to Brittany
with Thomas, Earl of Buckingham. He subsequently served in Brittany,
1380-1381. On 15 March 1380, the manor of Meonstoke, Hampshire
formerly held by Alice was granted in fee-simple to her husband,
William de Windsor, who in the following June, obtained licence from
the king to sell the manor to William of Wykeham, Bishop of
Winchester. In 1378 the king made a life grant to Adam de Colton of a
garden, dovecote, and meadow called La Hale in Bermondsey, Surrey,
which had been forfeited by Alice Perrers; in 1380 he granted the same
property to William de Windsor (Alice's husband), together with
another tenement in Bermondsey which she had also held. In 1378 Alice
held the manor of Southcote in Ruislip, Middlesex; after the
confiscation of her properties that year, the manor was leased to
Peter Petrewogh, who held it until 1379, when Alice's forfeited
properties were granted to her husband, William de Windsor. In 1381
William de Wyndesore and his wife, Alice, settled the manors of
Kingham, Oxfordshire, Compton Murdak, Warwickshire, and Drayton,
Berkshire on feoffees; the same year William de Wykeham, Bishop of
Winchester, received license to alienate the manor of Drayton,
Berkshire to the College of St. Mary of Winchester (now New College),
lately founded by him at Oxford. In 1382 John de Southbury conveyed
the manor of Southbury (in Hanney), Berkshire to feoffees, evidently
for the purpose of conveying the manor to Alice. In 1385 she
quitclaimed her interest in the manor of Marks (in Dagenham and
Havering), Essex to Alice Pertenhale, widow of Thomas Yonge, and
William Kelet and Alice his wife. SIR WILLIAM DE WINDSOR, Lord
Windsor, died at Heversham, Westmorland 15 Sept. 1384. He left a
nuncupative will dated 10 Sept. 1384, proved 22 October 1384. In 1386
his widow, Alice, was sued by Thomas Charlton and Alice, his wife, for
the manor of Gunnersbury (in Ealing), Middlesex. In 1389 she brought
a plaint of intrusion against John de Windsor, Esq. (her late
husband's nephew), John Elmeshall, and William Preston, touching her
free tenement in the parish of All Hallows the Less, London. The same
year she had a lawsuit with William de Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester,
as to jewels which she alleged she had pawned to him after her
indictment. In 1392 she sold the manor of Herons (in Wheathampstead),
Hertfordshire to John Sandhill, citizen and chandler of London. In
1393 John Windsor was in Newgate prison for a debt of £660 owed to
Gaultiero Bardi, citizen of London, and for detaining goods belonging
to Alice Windsor, valued at £3,000, and to Joan Windsor, valued at
£4,000. In 1397 Alice Windsor again petitioned for the reversal of
the judgement against her, and the matter was referred for the king's
decision, apparently without effect. Alice died at Upminster, Essex
shortly before 25 Nov. 1400 (commission of administration). She left
a will dated 20 Aug. 1400, proved 3 Feb. 1400/1, requesting burial in
the church of Upminster.
References:
Ayloffe, Cals. of the Ancient Charters (1774): lxv-lxvii. Clarke,
Parochial Topography of the Hundred of Wanting (1824): 111. Nicolas,
Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 116-117 (will of Sir William de
Wyndesore, Knt.), 152-153 (will of Alice, widow of William Wyndesor,
Knt.). Banks, The Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 4 (1837):
Additions & Emendations, 39-40. Gyll, Hist. of Wraysbury (1862): 203-
204 ("Dame Alice Perrers ... was not ignobly born, and was either
daughter or granddaughter of Richard Perrers of Essex, Sheriff of
Essex and Herts ... this lady was the Helen of her time ... her fault was
too great amiability ... she was friendly to many, but all were not
friendly to her ... Entertainments were made for her at great cost-
above all a tournament held in Smithfield gave great umbrage, where
Alice Perrers, to whom the King gave the name 'the Lady of the Sun'
appeared by his side in a triumphant chariot, and attended by many
ladies of quality, each leading a knight by his horse's bridle").
Hardy Cal. of Feet of Fines for London & Middlesex 1 (1892): 149.
C.P.R. 1377-1381 (1895): 343, 503. Genealogist n.s. 13 (1896): 249;
n.s. 14 (1897): 100. C.P.R. 1385-1389 (1900): 204-205. McKinnon, The
Hist. of Edward III (1900): 570-572, 579-580 ("... The death of Queen
Philippa in 1369 left him [Edward III] under the spell of a Court
beauty, Alice Perrers, of whose masculine force of character,
rapacious greed, and shameless effrontery, he became the abject
slave. Her enemies represent her as a most debased adventuress ...").
Trevelyan, England in the Age of Wycliffe (1904): 28-29 ("Very little
is known of this lady. She appears to have been of gentle birth,
although her enemies tried to prove the opposite. Ever since 1366 she
had been receiving grants of land and money from her royal lover, till
at least in 1373 the King gave her his own and his late wife's jewels,
to the general scandal of decent people ... She was in the habit of
attending the law courts to support her friends and overawe the judges
like any other great noble, and she possessed herself of money and
lands by fair means or foul."). Sharpe, Cal. of Letters-Books of the
City of London: H (1907): 71-86. VCH Hampshire 3 (1908): 254-257.
VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 179-186, 297-309; 3 (1912): 3-12. D.N.B. 15
(1909): 898-900 (biog. of Alice Perrers or de Windsor); 21 (1909): 177-
179 (biog. of William de Windsor, Baron Windsor). Bickley King's
Favourites (1910): 62. C.P.R. 1361-1364 (1912): 278. C.P.R. 1364-
1367 (1912): 321, 396-397, 418. VCH Surrey 4 (1912): 17-24. C.P.R.
1367-1370 (1913): 125, 146-147, 183, 292, 376, 379, 437. Desc. Cat.
of Ancient Deeds, 6 (1915): 350. C.P.R. 1374-1377 (1916): 191, 463.
Recs. Rel. to the Barony of Kendale 1 (1923): 214-221. VCH Berkshire,
4 (1924): 269-270, 287-288, 321-322. C.C.R. 1392-1396 (1925): 48-49.
VCH Buckingham, 3 (1925): 20-31. Thomas, Cal. of the Plea & Memoranda
Rolls of the City of London 2 (1929): 11, 34, 232; 3 (1932): 148-169.
C.F.R. 12 (1931): 84. English Hist. Rev. 47 (1932): 272-276; 66
(1951): 242-246. Curtis, Hist. of Medieval Ireland (1938): 248, 252
("[William] De Windsor's period of office [as Deputy of Ireland] is
epoch-making. 'He is the true founder of the Irish parliament,' who
trained it in spirit and procedure by holding no less than eight
parliaments and two Great Councils in less than five years."). PMLA
58 (1943): 566-572. Stokes et al., Warwickshire Feet of Fines 3
(Dugdale Soc. 18) (1943): 76. Speculum, 21 (1946): 222-228; 52
(1977): 906-911. C.P. 12(2) (1959): 877-880 (sub Wyndesore). VCH
Essex, 6 (1966): 267-281; 7 (1978): 143-153. VCH Middlesex, 4 (1971):
134-137; 7 (1982): 123-128. Gardner, Life & Times of Chaucer (1977):
187-189. VCH Warwick, 5 (1949): 58-59. Holmes, The Good Parliament
(1975). Keene & Harding, Hist. Gazetteer of London before the Great
Fire (1987): 220-226, 244-251. VCH Cambridge, 9 (1989): 212-213; 10
(2002): 427-437. Hicks, Who's Who in Late Medieval England (1991):
119-120 (biog. of Alice Perrers: "Although not beautiful, she was
apparently Edward's mistress well before the queen's death in 1369 and
enjoyed his unwavering fidelity thereafter. She bore him at least two
children: a son John Southerey born about 1364-5 and knighted in 1377,
who died obscurely, and a daughter Joan. The height of her influence
in the 1370s coincided with the king's galloping senility. He treated
her with chivalric honor, holding tournaments for her benefit, heaped
her with gifts including royal jewelry formerly belonging to Queen
Philippa, and allowed her to exercise authority within his household
like a queen ... She ... involved herself in court intrigue and
distribution of patronage ... Certainly she pursued her own advantage
single-mindedly and with a shrewd business sense ... She accumulated 22
manors, lands in 17 counties, and a London house ... Alice's political
influence and greedy self-interest help explain her impeachment in the
Good Parliament of 1376 and resultant forfeiture, sentences rapidly
revoked by Edward III, but repeated next year after his death.
Although the latter sentence too was set aside, partly because she was
tried as single when actually married, Alice did not recover all her
wealth despite extensive litigation."). Leese, Blood Royal (1996):
182. Warren, Spiritual Economies: Female Monasticism in Later
Medieval England (2001): 83-84 ("In addition to being the mistress to
Edward III, Alice was very shrewd in acquiring and managing property,
and, not surprisingly, attacks on Perrers were directed at what were
characterized as her linked sexual and economic transgressions. In
his Historia Anglicana, Thomas Walsingham describes Perrers as
'foemina procacissima' [most shameless woman] and a
'meretricula' [little harlot]."). Smith, Human Biology & Hist. (Soc.
for the Study of Human Biology Ser.: 42) (2002): 66. VCH Northampton,
5 (2002): 245-289, 289-345. Chaucer Review, 40 (2006): 219-229. PRO
Documents, E 210/10019 (Alice Periers and William Mulsho and John
Freton, clerks, to John Mory of Stratford and John Badell of
Colchester: Demise, indented, for 4 years, of the manor called
'Veisies' in Stratford, Suffolk; Date: 47 Edward III [1373-1374])
(abstract of document available online at); SC 8/95/4741 (petition
dated ?c.1377 from John Birche, carpenter to the Lords of Parliament,
requesting payment of a sum of money due to him from when he worked as
carpenter for Lady Alice de Wyndesore, both at her house in London and
at Bourne Hall (in Bushey), Hertfordshire); SC 8/95/4745 (petition
dated ?c.1377 from Joan Burstall, daughter and heir of John Burstall
to king and council, who states that her father, John Burstall, and
Cecily his wife purchased the manor of East Hall, Kent, for themselves
and John's heirs, but that after John's death, Alice Pereres forced
Cecily to sell the manor to her, and never paid her the full price.
She asks to be reinstated in this manor); SC 8/95/4747A (petition
dated c.1377 from Amerigot (Aymer, Aimeric) de Bort (Borc), Knt. to
king, council and parliament, who complains that certain wines
belonging to the lord of Lesparre and the lord of La Lande were stolen
by Alice Perrers in 1376, and in their name requests restitution of
the wines or of their value); SC 8/96/4751 (petition dated c.1377 from
Edmund de Brook and Margery his wife to king and council who complain
that they were forcibly disseised of their manor of Bourne Hall (in
Bushey), Hertfordshire by a large number of armed men under the
command of Alice Perers, and that the manor was afterwards given to
various people for her use. Alice then had Edmund imprisoned, and
tried to get Margery to divorce him. They request the Margery's right
might be inquired into, and justice done on the basis of this, and
that in the meantime that Edmund might have the manor at farm, for a
sufficient security, as Alice's power was so great with the late king
that they have not dared to sue until now); SC 8/101/5030 (petition
dated c.1377 from Jerenarth Child to the king's council, who complains
that he is impoverished by the non-payment of a certain sum and seeks
a mandate from the present parliament to recover £25 13s. 4d. from
Lady Alice Perrers, as it has been ineffective to pursue her through
the common law. He shows that her bailiffs bought 220 sheep at his
manor of Wendover four years since to her use for the aforesaid sum,
to be paid in the months following, which sum has not been paid or
satisfied to the petitioner); SC 8/104/5165 (petition dated c. 1377
from John de Cobham, son of the Countess Marshal, to the king and
council, who seeks recovery of various debts owed him by Alice
Perrers: 1) He complains that Middleton (his attorney), leased the
manor of Ardington, Berkshire to Alice at farm for £80 in 1364, and
sold her all the corn, goods and chattels for a certain sum of silver,
of which there are arrears of £19 3s., as shown in an indenture made
between them; 2) He complains that Alice held the manor at the said
farm for twelve years, which amounts to £960, which sum is still
withheld from him; 3) He complains that the late king was held to him
in 1000 marks, from which sum Alice granted 20 marks to Salisbury
without the petitioner's warrant, as shown in the receipt of the said
king; 4) He also complains that Alice granted Gresley 40 marks from
the said sum without his warrant, as also appears in the said receipt,
of which £40 the petitioner is charged in the receipt and which he has
still not recovered); SC 8/105/5216 (petition dated c.1380 from
Elizabeth, widow of Gilbert de Ellesfeld to [illegible], who seeks
restoration of her property in the manor of Drayton, Berkshire;
petition names Alice Perrers); SC 8/119/5917 (petition dated 1377-1384
from John de Kendale of London, tailor to king and council, who seeks
recovery of £4 15s. owed to him by William Windsor and his wife Alice
for cloth bought from him on 24 June 1360, for which he has not been
paid and which he has been unable to recover); SC 8/119/5932 (petition
dated c.1377 from John Kendale to king and council, requesting payment
of £4 15s. 7d. owed to him by Alice Perers for various parcels of
cloth sold to Janyn Perers, Alice's former husband, in 34 Edward III
[1360-1]); SC 8/146/7267 (petition dated c.1385 from Alice, widow of
William de Wyndesore (Windsor) to the king and lords of Parliament,
who states that her husband enfeoffed six people with his manors,
lands and tenements in England and Wales, and that two of these,
contrary to his intentions, enfeoffed one John de Wyndesore, not of
his blood, so that the other feoffees are kept out of these lands and
tenements, and cannot perform William's will, and to the
disinheritance of Alice and his true heirs. She requests that justice
be ordained for her in the present parliament); SC 8/148/7363
(petition dated 1377-1380 from John Wilyeth, clerk, William Berton,
and others to king and council, who state that they were seised of a
hostel called 'Battesyn' in the parish of St Martin in Oxford, but
that Alice Perrers, wishing to disinherit them, procured an inquest of
office held by the Escheator, which found, falsely, that it had been
given to various people for the use of Merton College, and to bar them
from the traverse allowed to them by statute, had Edward III make
enfeoffment of the hostel to various people, by his letters patent,
with the intention of receiving the profits, and of having feoffment
for herself and her heirs when she wanted. The petitioners have been
told to sue a scire facias, and ask that these letters patent might be
repealed, so that they can have their traverse); SC 8/185/9250
(petition dated 1377 from John Freton, clerk, Robert Brom of Warwick
and Hugh Cotyngham, clerk, requesting that they be granted the
reversion of all lands held for life by James de Audeley of Heighley,
which ought to revert to the king on Audeley's death) (abstract of
documents available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Canterbury Cathedral Archives: Dean and Chaper Archive, Chartae
Antiquae Z - ref. CCA-DCc-ChAnt/Z (Inquisition taken at Canterbury,
Kent 24 Sept. 1378 before John Brede, the king's escheator for Kent.
The jurors say that William Salesby and Christina his wife, Joan,
William's mother, Alice Perrers and John Hanney, chaplain purchased a
messuage called the Fleur de Lis ('Flourdelys') in the city of
Canterbury, to be held by them for the term of their lives. Seven
years ago [i.e., 1371] Joan and Alice released their right in the
messuage to William by a deed made at Pallingswick [in Fulham],
Middlesex. The jurors do not know about the seal of Alice and Joan,
but they believe that the release was made and that the messuage is
worth 53s. 4d. a year) (abstract of document available online at
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
Child of Alice de Perrers, probably by her husband, Janyn de Perrers:
i. JOAN, elder daughter. She married (1st) before 15 July 1401 (date
of grant) RICHARD NORTHLAND, Knt. He was indentured to serve in
Portugal in 1373-1374. About 1377 Ralph de Wolverton and Thomas
Haket, collectors, were ordered to pay him 100 marks for his costs in
safe-keeping the Isle of Wight from enemies with 100 men-at-arms. His
wife, Joan, inherited various properties in London and the manor and
advowson of Compton Murdak (later known as Compton Verney),
Warwickshire in 1401 from her mother. SIR RICHARD NORTHLAND was
living 4 October 1402. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) before 1405
ROBERT SKERNE, of Kingston-upon-Thames, Thames Ditton, Downhall (in
Guilford), and Freemantles, Surrey, and, in right of his wife, of
Philiberts (in East Hanney), Berkshire and Compton Murdak,
Warwickshire, lawyer, Knight of the Shire for Surrey, 1402, 1422,
justice of the peace for Surrey, 1417-1431. They had no issue. In
1405 he obtained a quitclaim to the manor of Compton Murdak,
Warwickshire from Arnold Murdak. Sometime in or after 1406, Ralph
Symond, nephew of William Calseby (former trustee for Joan's step-
father, William de Windsor, Knt.) conveyed the manor of Philiberts (in
Hanney), Berkshire to Robert Skerne, husband of Joan. In 1418 he
established his claim to the manor of Philiberts (in East Hanney),
Berkshire against Sir John Cornwall and his wife, Elizabeth. He
served as a tax collector for Surrey in 1420. In 1423 he was
arraigned on an assize of novel disseisin at Guilford, Surrey by
Walter Gawtron. His wife, Joan, died before Jan. 1431. In 1431 he
was admitted into the fraternity of Osney Abbey, and arrangements were
made for prayers to be said in the memory of his late wife. ROBERT
SKERNE died 9 April 1437. He and his wife, Joan, were buried at
Kingston upon Thames, Surrey. Following his death, on 21 July 1437,
his feoffees had license to convey the manor of Philiberts (in East
Hanney), Berkshire to John Golofre, Esq., and others. Banks, The
Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 4 (1837): Additions &
Emendations, 39-40 (citing Dugdale, Antiq. Warwickshire, pg. 435).
Fairholt, Costume in England (1860): 145. Surrey Arch. Colls., 8
(1883): 61-63; 29 (1906): 103-105; 70 (1975): 103-105. C.P.R. 1436-
1441 (1907): 73. Salzman, Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 3 (Sussex Rec.
Soc. 23) (1916): 240-241. VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 287-288. C.C.R.
1402-1405 (1929): 384. Speculum, 21 (1946): 222-228. VCH Warwick, 5
(1949): 58-59. English Hist. Rev. 95 (1980): 514-532. Given-Wilson,
Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984): 136-137. Roskell et al.,
House of Commons 1386-1421 4 (1992): 382-384 (biog. of Robert
Skerne). Leese, Blood Royal (1996): 182. West Sussex Record Office:
The Goodwood Estate Archives [Estate Papers 1], Reference: GOODWOOD/
E274 (grant dated 2 March 1432/3 from Henry Percy, Earl of
Northumberland, Robert Ponynggys [Poynings], Knt., Robert Skerne, and
others to Maud, widow of Thomas Ponynggys [Poynings], Knt. the manors
of Halfnakede and Walberton; the foundation or patronage of Boxgrove
priory; the manor of Newbury, co. Kent, and the advowson of the church
there with remainders); Lincolnshire Archives: Manuscripts of the Earl
of Ancaster, Reference: 1ANC2/A/18/10 (Notification of a grant dated
15 July 1401 from Ralf Symonds, kinsman and heir of William Calceby,
clerk to John [recte Joan] Northland, Hugh Byseley, Robert Skyme
[recte Skerne] and William Symonds, clerk of the manor of Philbordes
in East Hanney, Berkshire, previously held by John Hanney, Nicholas
Rounhey, William Calceby, my kinsman, all clerks and Henry Hatheve of
Hanney, held of William Wyndesore, Knt.) (abstract of documents
available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp). PRO
Document, E 101/68/6/132 (Parties to Indenture: Richard Northland, kt.
Nature of Service: War-service in Portugal. Date: 47 Edward III [1373-
1374]) (abstract of document available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Illegitimate children of Alice de Perrers, probably by King Edward
III:
ii. JOHN DE SURREY (or SOUTHEREY), Knt. In 1374 the king granted him
£100 annually for his maintenance. In 1375 a number of properties
were made over to him. In April 1377 he was knighted with the future
Kings Richard II and Henry IV. In May 1377, in response to his
petition to the king, he was granted the manor of Lowestoft and the
hundred of Lothingland, Suffolk, together with the reversion of
several other manors in Cumberland, Wiltshire, etc. In Dec. 1377 he
was reportedly living with Thomas Brantingham, Bishop of Exeter, the
king's treasurer, when the king ordered restition of "all his harness,
goods and things" which were arrested among the goods of his mother,
Alice. The same month, the king, acting on advise of his Council,
revoked the grant of the reversion of the manor of Bolton (in
Allerdale), Cumberland which had previously been made to him. In 1382
he appears to have joined an English force in Portugal under Edmund of
Langley, Duke of York. In or before 1383 he sued Ralph Basyng, Esq.,
in London for a debt of 10 marks 6s. 8d. His subsequent history is
unknown. He appears to have predeceased his mother before 1400
without issue. Banks, The Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 4
(1837): Additions & Emendations, 39-40. Beltz, Memorials of the Most
Noble Order of the Garter (1841): 270. Notes & Queries, 7th ser. 11
(1891): 433-434 (citing Froissart, ii, cap. 120 and 124). C.P.R. 1377-
1381 (1895): 76-77. C.P.R. 1370-1374 (1914): 338. C.P.R. 1374-1377
(1916): 462. C.C.R. 1381-1385 (1920): 299. C.F.R. 9 (1926): 62.
English Hist. Rev., 66 (1951): 242-246. Holmes, The Good Parliament
(1975): 193-194. Given-Wilson Royal Bastards of Medieval England
(1984): 136-142 (cites Froissart, a contemporary historian, who calls
him a "bastard brother [recte uncle] of the king of England.").
Leese, Blood Royal (1996): 182. PRO Documents, E 154/6/17 (List of
goods of John Southerey arrested among those of Alice Perrers); SC
8/228/11354 (petition dated 1377 from John de Surrey, Knt. to the
king, requesting a grant of the manor of Lowestoft, Suffolk and of
other manors and lands throughout the country to him and his heirs of
his body) (abstract of documents available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
iii. JOAN DE SURREY (or SOUTHEREY), younger daughter. About 1394 as
"Joan, daughter of Alice Wyndesor," she petitioned the king and
Parliament in an effort to recover to recover 2,000 marks from John de
Windsor, which was due to her from the sale of the marriage of the
Earl of Nottingham. She married before 14 May 1406 _____ DESPAIGNE
(or DESPAYNE). She inherited the manor of Gaynes (in Upminster),
Essex from her mother in 1401. She was living in 1406, when as "Joan
Despaigne otherwise Southerey," she surrendered her interest in the
manor of Gaynes (in Upminster), and lands in Upminster and Havering,
Essex, in exchange for a life rent of 100 shillings. Her subsequent
history is unknown. Feet of Fines for Essex 3 (1929-1949): 247.
C.C.R. 1405-1409 (1931): 39-40, 167-168, 227. VCH Essex, 7 (1978):
143-153. Given-Wilson, Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984): 136-
137. PRO Document SC 8/22/1060 (petition dated c.1394 from Joan,
daughter of Alice Wyndesor [Windsor] to the king and lords of
Parliament, who states that her suit against John de Wyndesore to
recover 2000 marks, due to her from the sale of the marriage of the
Earl of Nottingham, which was granted to her by Edward III, has been
obstructed by Thomas Colrede, under-sheriff and judge of London,
Richard Forster, John de Wyndesore's attorney, and John, his clerk,
who have altered the record of an inquisition held into the matter.
She requests a remedy, and that she might be able to have her goods
from John de Wyndesore, or from the three people who fraudulently
altered the record, as people learned in the law have told her would
be just and reasonable) (abstract of document available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
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