Fw: "Countess" as a given name: not just in France

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: "Countess" as a given name: not just in France

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 10 aug 2007 00:42:20

You mean to say you are old enough to have an aunt who lived in medieval
times? :-)

I also heard in Britain in the 1960s there was a new father so proud of his
new born daughter she was called "Princess Diana", this was well before
Lady
Diana Spencer appeared on the world stage. Also I seem to recall a child in
Poland was given the name Electricity. It can be cruel what parents can
inflict on their children. I recall Winston Churchill saying that parents
should also be aware of the initials they create for their children.

With best wishes
Leo


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us
To: <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>; <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: "Countess" as a given name: not just in France


I see. The point then was that *in Britain* this never occurred (didn't
read the entire thread, so missed the context.)

Actually, my aunt (by marriage) - Janet (Churchill) Shields - had a
stepmother whose given name was in fact "Countess" (always thought that
was so funny - Countess Churchill of Winter Park, FL!), but then I
believe she came originally from one of the US's southern states, so
that, I thought, explained it: Southerners being the same folks who
brought us the given name "Ova" for a girl (!). The endless vagaries and
eccentricities of Dixieland's naming patterns!

All best, Leo.

T.

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> 08/09/07 04:20PM
Dear Tony,

Contessina is Italian. I am waiting for an English/Scottish/Irish even
Welsh
woman with the name "Countess" as a given name.
It is similar to translating a continental counts title as Earl, it
does not
hold.
Leo


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: "Countess" as a given name: not just in France


Having not read the entire thread, forgive me if this has already
been
pointed out:

Leo wrote: "Just because in France and in French there has been a
woman with the given name "Comtesse" does not make "Countess" a
given
name."

But, I can cite at least one non-French case:

Contessina de' Bardi (say 1396-aft 1464) [wife of Cosimo 'Pater
Patrie'
de' Medici], daughter of Giovanni de' Bardi, count of Vernio.

Perhaps it might be argued that she was called by the *title*
"Little
Countess" (her father being a count), having perhaps another "real"
given name. But, the fact remains that she was called Contessina, as
though it were a given name.

Tony

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

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