Tudors were Plantagenets?

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Tudors were Plantagenets?

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 09 aug 2007 23:05:56

I have always found *Edmund* Tudor's name most remarkable.

Speaking of agnate Plantagenets. If male-line descendants of Henry
Carey, Lord Hunsdon come to light, perhaps they could be tested against
(Beaufort-)Somersets.

In re: Catherine of France, Queen of England (1401-1437):

"In the early days of her widowhood, when her household was almost
entirely made up of English servants, Catherine normally appears in
contemporary records on ceremonial occasions, accompanying the infant
king to sessions of parliament, for example, or entertaining guests such
as James I of Scotland (r. 1406–37), still a prisoner in England, at
the major ecclesiastical festivals. But by 1425 rumours began
circulating about an amorous attachment to Edmund Beaufort, the
nineteen-year-old nephew of the chancellor, Bishop Henry Beaufort. A
petition by the commons in the Leicester parliament of 1426, asking the
chancellor to allow ‘widows of the king’ to marry as they wished
upon payment of an appropriate fine, probably alluded to Catherine
rather than to the ageing Joan of Navarre. The government's response, a
statute enacted in the parliament of October 1427 – March 1428, which
forbade marriage to a queen without royal consent on pain of forfeiture
of lands for life, may be regarded as expressing the council's concern
over Catherine's liaison with Beaufort, since it was feared, as one
contemporary put it, that she was unable ‘to curb fully her carnal
passions’ (Incerti scriptoris chronicon, 17). Catherine continued to
appear on public occasions, such as her son's English coronation on 6
November 1429, but for the next three years she had no separate
household, instead contributing *7 a day to Henry VI's household towards
her upkeep. However, in her own letters she continued to style herself
proudly ‘Catherine, queen of England, daughter of King Charles of
France, mother of the king of England, and lady of Ireland’ (U. Nott.
L., department of manuscripts and special collections, Mi D 2563/6, 6
June 1430).

Nevertheless, in spite of the council's precautions, some time between
1428 and 1432 Catherine did contract a morganatic marriage, though this
only became known after her death. Her new husband was a young Welsh
squire, Owen Tudor. Where and when they first met is unknown. Many later
legends developed to explain their remarkable romance: that Owen had
been in Henry V's service in the wars in France or in the royal
household, that he had first attracted attention by falling into the
queen's lap in an inebriated state at a dance or when she and her ladies
had espied him swimming, but nothing is certainly known to explain the
start of their relationship. It has even been suggested that she may
have taken Tudor as her husband to prevent her true love, Edmund
Beaufort, suffering the penalties of the statute of 1428, since Owen had
so few possessions to forfeit. The naming of their first child, Edmund
Tudor, has also led to serious speculation on whether Henry VII, Edmund
Tudor's son, descended from Beauforts on both sides of his pedigree,
though this seems improbable.

She also gave birth to two other children whose paternity is certain:
Jasper Tudor, later earl of Pembroke (d. 1495), and a daughter,
Margaret, who died young."

Michael Jones, 'Catherine (1401-1437)', Oxford Dictionary of National
Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/4890, accessed 9 Aug 2007]








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