From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II
But there are RELATED Mortimer Lines.
DSH
Can you show Mortimer families who are not in the male line linked to Roger
Mortimer, but are related to Roger Mortimer in any way whatsoever?
The number of family names descending from this Roger Mortimer _always via
females_ is staggering.
For instance, if we stay with genealogists alone, Roger Mortimer is an
ancestor of :
Brice Clagett - J.W. Cummings -Ian Fettes - John Steele Gordon - Gordon R.
Hale Jr. - Tony Hoskins - Will Johnson - Malinda Jones - Peter de Loriol -
Sir Ian Moncreiffe - Brom Nichol Jr Merilyn Pedrick - Tim Powys-Lybbe - John
Ravilious - William Addams Reitwiesner - Gary Boyd Roberts - Walter Lee
Sheppard Jr - Louise Staley
The enormous number of descendants of Roger Mortimer till the present may
well contain people with the Mortimer surname, but I haven't found any as
yet.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
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He is not claiming any connection, but, of course, everybody is related
to everybody somehow-----we may just not know how.
Still, as far as I know those Mortimers are extinct, also the male line
ancestors of that Roger appear to be without male line descendants,
legitimate or illegitimate.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II
Of course he could be descended from a different line and therefore be a
RELATIVE of Roger Mortimer.
Some folks, erroneously, call that a "COLLATERAL DESCENDENT" of Roger.
DSH
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message news:...
Thanks, Leo.
Aloha,
DSH
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
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Before I communicated with Dr. Ian Mortimer I suspected the same, but
no he told me he is not a dsescendant. It seems accepted that _those_
Mortimers in the male line are extinct anyway. For him it is perhaps
an unfortunate situation to have the same surname.
I don't think he sees it as letting someone off the hook, I think he
is trying to let facts, as he reports them, speak for themselves.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II
Does Ian Mortimer trace his ancestry to Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl
of March?
Is he trying to get said ancestor off the hook for the murder of
Edward II?
Those are the operative questions to ask.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
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Dear Brice,
On genealogics I have included Dr. Ian Mortimer's opinion in the
biography of Edward II. I don't think it is frivolous and at least
should be acknowledged.
I do not have access to Paul Doherty's work
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clagett, Brice" <bclagett@cov.com
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Death of Edward II
Ian Mortimer continues to elaborate his view that King Edward II
was not
killed at Berkeley Castle but survived for many years thereafter.
See
The Greatest Traitor (2003); "The Death of Edward II in Berkeley
Castle,"
HER 120:1175 (2005); The Perfect King (2006). He is not alone in
this
view. See Paul Doherty, Isabella and the Strange Death of Edward II
(2003).
Is any one writing on the other side? I have seen nothing.
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