Fw: Death of Edward II

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Fw: Death of Edward II

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 03 aug 2007 02:15:59

He is not claiming any connection, but, of course, everybody is related to
everybody somehow-----we may just not know how.
Still, as far as I know those Mortimers are extinct, also the male line
ancestors of that Roger appear to be without male line descendants,
legitimate or illegitimate.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com>
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Subject: Re: Death of Edward II


Of course he could be descended from a different line and therefore be a
RELATIVE of Roger Mortimer.

Some folks, erroneously, call that a "COLLATERAL DESCENDENT" of Roger.

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message news:...

Thanks, Leo.

Aloha,

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.113.1186101808.31452.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

Before I communicated with Dr. Ian Mortimer I suspected the same, but no
he told me he is not a dsescendant. It seems accepted that _those_
Mortimers in the male line are extinct anyway. For him it is perhaps an
unfortunate situation to have the same surname.

I don't think he sees it as letting someone off the hook, I think he is
trying to let facts, as he reports them, speak for themselves.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II


Does Ian Mortimer trace his ancestry to Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of
March?

Is he trying to get said ancestor off the hook for the murder of Edward
II?

Those are the operative questions to ask.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.111.1186100791.31452.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

Dear Brice,

On genealogics I have included Dr. Ian Mortimer's opinion in the
biography of Edward II. I don't think it is frivolous and at least
should be acknowledged.

I do not have access to Paul Doherty's work
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clagett, Brice" <bclagett@cov.com
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Death of Edward II

Ian Mortimer continues to elaborate his view that King Edward II was
not

killed at Berkeley Castle but survived for many years thereafter. See
The Greatest Traitor (2003); "The Death of Edward II in Berkeley
Castle,"

HER 120:1175 (2005); The Perfect King (2006). He is not alone in
this
view. See Paul Doherty, Isabella and the Strange Death of Edward II
(2003).

Is any one writing on the other side? I have seen nothing.



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Re: Death of Edward II

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 03 aug 2007 03:52:27

But there are RELATED Mortimer Lines.

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.121.1186105637.31452.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

He is not claiming any connection, but, of course, everybody is related to
everybody somehow-----we may just not know how.
Still, as far as I know those Mortimers are extinct, also the male line
ancestors of that Roger appear to be without male line descendants,
legitimate or illegitimate.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II

Of course he could be descended from a different line and therefore be a
RELATIVE of Roger Mortimer.

Some folks, erroneously, call that a "COLLATERAL DESCENDENT" of Roger.

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message news:...

Thanks, Leo.

Aloha,

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.113.1186101808.31452.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

Before I communicated with Dr. Ian Mortimer I suspected the same, but
no he told me he is not a dsescendant. It seems accepted that _those_
Mortimers in the male line are extinct anyway. For him it is perhaps an
unfortunate situation to have the same surname.

I don't think he sees it as letting someone off the hook, I think he is
trying to let facts, as he reports them, speak for themselves.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II


Does Ian Mortimer trace his ancestry to Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of
March?

Is he trying to get said ancestor off the hook for the murder of
Edward II?

Those are the operative questions to ask.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.111.1186100791.31452.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

Dear Brice,

On genealogics I have included Dr. Ian Mortimer's opinion in the
biography of Edward II. I don't think it is frivolous and at least
should be acknowledged.

I do not have access to Paul Doherty's work
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clagett, Brice" <bclagett@cov.com
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Death of Edward II

Ian Mortimer continues to elaborate his view that King Edward II was
not

killed at Berkeley Castle but survived for many years thereafter.
See
The Greatest Traitor (2003); "The Death of Edward II in Berkeley
Castle,"

HER 120:1175 (2005); The Perfect King (2006). He is not alone in
this
view. See Paul Doherty, Isabella and the Strange Death of Edward II
(2003).

Is any one writing on the other side? I have seen nothing.

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