When Rene Jette published his theory of the origins of Agatha, wife of
Edward the Exile, it sent shock waves through the complacent community
of pedigree copiers. Much has been made of this new theory, with
arguments flying back and forth, and a few expressions of amazement
over how something so 'obvious' could have escaped notice for so
long. Well, as has been said, "there is nothing new under the sun."
I was recently looking for something else when I came across an entry
in the journal Coat of Arms no. 41, at Google Books. Being in Snippet
View, it is tedious to work out, but it appears to be a review of the
Agatha issue, and it includes the following:
"To confuse the issue a little more, on p. 404 of Anderson's Royal
Genealogies we find that Agatha, daughter of Jaroslaus, "The Halt",
Czar of Russia, and sister of Anastasia (wife of Andrew I, King of
Hungary) and Anne (wife of Henry I, King of France), was the wife of
Prince Edward, . . ."
http://books.google.com/books?id=T8QRAA ... ile&pgis=1
If accurate, given that Anderson's _Royal genealogies_ was published
in 1732, clearly the 'Jette theory' is much, much older than might
appear.
If anyone with access to Anderson's could confirm this, it would be
appreciated.
taf
Agatha of . . . . . .
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norenxaq
Re: Agatha of . . . . . .
taf wrote:
name Andrew I's Russian wife in either his Russian or Hungarian charts.
When Rene Jette published his theory of the origins of Agatha, wife of
Edward the Exile, it sent shock waves through the complacent community
of pedigree copiers. Much has been made of this new theory, with
arguments flying back and forth, and a few expressions of amazement
over how something so 'obvious' could have escaped notice for so
long. Well, as has been said, "there is nothing new under the sun."
I was recently looking for something else when I came across an entry
in the journal Coat of Arms no. 41, at Google Books. Being in Snippet
View, it is tedious to work out, but it appears to be a review of the
Agatha issue, and it includes the following:
"To confuse the issue a little more, on p. 404 of Anderson's Royal
Genealogies we find that Agatha, daughter of Jaroslaus, "The Halt",
Czar of Russia, and sister of Anastasia (wife of Andrew I, King of
Hungary) and Anne (wife of Henry I, King of France), was the wife of
Prince Edward, . . ."
http://books.google.com/books?id=T8QRAA ... ile&pgis=1
If accurate, given that Anderson's _Royal genealogies_ was published
in 1732, clearly the 'Jette theory' is much, much older than might
appear.
If anyone with access to Anderson's could confirm this, it would be
appreciated.
taf
not mentioned in the 1736 edition of Anderson. Also, Anderson does not
name Andrew I's Russian wife in either his Russian or Hungarian charts.
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taf
Re: Agatha of . . . . . .
On Aug 1, 4:40 pm, norenxaq <noren...@san.rr.com> wrote:
Well, so much for that.
Perhaps the full Coat of Arms article has a bibliography which would
clarify which edition was being accessed.
In the interim, I found a reference in N&Q, ser. viii, vol. 4 to a
chart compiled by "Ulster" which has the same information. This would
be in the 1890s, so one way or the other, Jette's theory has a longer
pedigree than was evident to the reader of his 1998 article.
taf
taf wrote:
When Rene Jette published his theory of the origins of Agatha, wife of
Edward the Exile, it sent shock waves through the complacent community
of pedigree copiers. Much has been made of this new theory, with
arguments flying back and forth, and a few expressions of amazement
over how something so 'obvious' could have escaped notice for so
long. Well, as has been said, "there is nothing new under the sun."
I was recently looking for something else when I came across an entry
in the journal Coat of Arms no. 41, at Google Books. Being in Snippet
View, it is tedious to work out, but it appears to be a review of the
Agatha issue, and it includes the following:
"To confuse the issue a little more, on p. 404 of Anderson's Royal
Genealogies we find that Agatha, daughter of Jaroslaus, "The Halt",
Czar of Russia, and sister of Anastasia (wife of Andrew I, King of
Hungary) and Anne (wife of Henry I, King of France), was the wife of
Prince Edward, . . ."
http://books.google.com/books?id=T8QRAA ... ard+the+...
If accurate, given that Anderson's _Royal genealogies_ was published
in 1732, clearly the 'Jette theory' is much, much older than might
appear.
If anyone with access to Anderson's could confirm this, it would be
appreciated.
taf
not mentioned in the 1736 edition of Anderson. Also, Anderson does not
name Andrew I's Russian wife in either his Russian or Hungarian charts.
Well, so much for that.
Perhaps the full Coat of Arms article has a bibliography which would
clarify which edition was being accessed.
In the interim, I found a reference in N&Q, ser. viii, vol. 4 to a
chart compiled by "Ulster" which has the same information. This would
be in the 1890s, so one way or the other, Jette's theory has a longer
pedigree than was evident to the reader of his 1998 article.
taf
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: Agatha of . . . . . .
In article <1186016478.816925.116160@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
taf <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote:
My understanding was that the 1736 second edition (the commonest) is
essentially an identical reprinting of the 1732 first edition. I have
the second ed. (& had the opportunity to buy a 1st at the same time &
maybe should have but it was way too trimmed). For what it's worth on
p. 740 the wife of Edward the Elder is called "NN, Da. of the Emp. Henry
III, and King Solomon's sister-in-law." Edmund, Edward's brother, is
given as wife "Agatha, daughter of Solomon King of Hungary." Muscovy is
indeed on p. 404, though the daughters of Jaroslav do not appear; early
Hungary is on p. 401. Jaroslav is spelled "Jaroslaus" but is not called
"the Halt" in Anderson [1736].
If you type "Jaroslaus the Halt" into google books you get another
publication, David Starr Jordan and Sarah Louise Kimball, _Your Family
Tree_ (Boston: Appleton, 1929; repr. GPC 1979), p. 57, which also calls
Agatha, wife of Edward the Exile, daughter of "Jaroslaus the Halt."
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
taf <farmerie@interfold.com> wrote:
On Aug 1, 4:40 pm, norenxaq <noren...@san.rr.com> wrote:
taf wrote:
When Rene Jette published his theory of the origins of Agatha, wife of
Edward the Exile, it sent shock waves through the complacent community
of pedigree copiers. Much has been made of this new theory, with
arguments flying back and forth, and a few expressions of amazement
over how something so 'obvious' could have escaped notice for so
long. Well, as has been said, "there is nothing new under the sun."
I was recently looking for something else when I came across an entry
in the journal Coat of Arms no. 41, at Google Books. Being in Snippet
View, it is tedious to work out, but it appears to be a review of the
Agatha issue, and it includes the following:
"To confuse the issue a little more, on p. 404 of Anderson's Royal
Genealogies we find that Agatha, daughter of Jaroslaus, "The Halt",
Czar of Russia, and sister of Anastasia (wife of Andrew I, King of
Hungary) and Anne (wife of Henry I, King of France), was the wife of
Prince Edward, . . ."
http://books.google.com/books?id=T8QRAA ... ard+the+...
If accurate, given that Anderson's _Royal genealogies_ was published
in 1732, clearly the 'Jette theory' is much, much older than might
appear.
If anyone with access to Anderson's could confirm this, it would be
appreciated.
taf
not mentioned in the 1736 edition of Anderson. Also, Anderson does not
name Andrew I's Russian wife in either his Russian or Hungarian charts.
Well, so much for that.
Perhaps the full Coat of Arms article has a bibliography which would
clarify which edition was being accessed.
My understanding was that the 1736 second edition (the commonest) is
essentially an identical reprinting of the 1732 first edition. I have
the second ed. (& had the opportunity to buy a 1st at the same time &
maybe should have but it was way too trimmed). For what it's worth on
p. 740 the wife of Edward the Elder is called "NN, Da. of the Emp. Henry
III, and King Solomon's sister-in-law." Edmund, Edward's brother, is
given as wife "Agatha, daughter of Solomon King of Hungary." Muscovy is
indeed on p. 404, though the daughters of Jaroslav do not appear; early
Hungary is on p. 401. Jaroslav is spelled "Jaroslaus" but is not called
"the Halt" in Anderson [1736].
If you type "Jaroslaus the Halt" into google books you get another
publication, David Starr Jordan and Sarah Louise Kimball, _Your Family
Tree_ (Boston: Appleton, 1929; repr. GPC 1979), p. 57, which also calls
Agatha, wife of Edward the Exile, daughter of "Jaroslaus the Halt."
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net