Fw: Nicole de Noyelles & Gary Boyd Roberts

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Nicole de Noyelles & Gary Boyd Roberts

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 28 jul 2007 09:45:48

Thanks to Will for spotting the error and Peter Stewart for quoting a
source. I have amended the details in my own computer. It will become
visible on my webstie probably at the end of next month as any moment the
website is being updated again. This just came too late :-(
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
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Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Nicole de Noyelles & Gary Boyd Roberts


"WJhonson" <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.15.1185584590.14018.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

In a message dated 07/27/07 15:15:59 Pacific Standard Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:
3.Marie of Brittany
/
4.Isabel de Chatillon
-x-Guillaume de Coucy

There is an extant marriage contract dated 1311 where that Isabel who m
Guillaume de Coucy is there called daughter of Gui Count of St Pol. See
http://books.google.com/books?id=m0EDAA ... ucy+isabel

where she is called "fille de Gui"

This is obviously Guy (Guido) III de Chatillon, Count of St Pol who I
have as born in 1265, married in 1292, died in 1317.

Checking Leo's excellent database I do not see a daughter Isabel for this
Guy, nor any daughter who m Guillaume de Coucy

However I do find here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 1&tree=LEO

this she has been attached to other parents citing ES VII 82

Fixing or arguing this, might be a good place to start.

There is no doubt that Isabelle was daughter of Guy de Châtillon, count of
Saint-Pol (died 6 April 1317). The confusion over this in ES probably
arises from André Duchesne, who gave correct details of her parentage and
marriage contract in _Histoire généalogique des maisons de Guines,
d'Ardres, de Gand, et de Coucy_ (Paris, 1631), but omitted her from the
family in his earlier _Histoire de la maison de Chastillon sur Marne_
(Paris, 1621).

However, a late 19th-century cataloguer's description of Isabelle as
daughter of Guy is not a very satisfactory source in itself - note that in
the same list Pedro I, king of Castile is described as "Pierre le Cruel",
an epithet he is hardly likely to have given himself in his marriage
contract.

Peter Stewart




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