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Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av SomersetSue » 27 jul 2007 19:16:49

Hello

I am trying to find out what I can about a family called Jephson, of
Froyle in Hampshire.

I had already found a claim that Alice Jephson of Froyle married
William Hickman of Woodford.
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... ckman1.htm
They were named as the parents of Anthony Hickman the merchant who
married Rose Locke (she was born in 1537 according to her own
autobiography).
I then did a bit of hunting online and discovered that a William
Jephson became the owner of the manor of Froyle in 1536 after the
Dissolution of the Monasteries.
http://www.froyle.com/histnotes3.htm

I've wondered if Alice is possibly a daughter of that William. However
her own children would have been born around the time William Jephson
acquired Froyle so I can't quite understand why she was called "of
Froyle" unless the family lived in the village before William became
the Lord of the Manor.

If Alice is the child of William then I've seen a claim that her
mother was Mary Giffard (daughter of Sir William Giffard and Eleanor
Paulet).
https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/We ... ifford.htm

This seems possible because I found a reference to a book to which I
haven't got access but the clue was in the google link.

JSTOR: The Role of Family and Religion in the Local Politics of ...
For Hampshire in the 1560s the survival of one of the earliest and
most ..... reign.34 Richard Gifford also had a nephew named William
Jephson who was a ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0018-246X(198206)25%3A2%3C267%3ATROFAR
%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H

If Alice Jephson was the daughter of William Jephson and Mary Giffard
that then gives a line back through Giffards and Paulets which I've
spotted on Leo's site.

Has anyone any more useful information on these people please?

Best wishes
Sue

WJhonson

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av WJhonson » 27 jul 2007 22:44:57

Sue, here are a few more items to throw in your kettle on the Jephson's of Froyle.

Both Sir Thomas Norris, his father Henry Baron Norris of Rycote and two brother William and John Norris all have DNB entries.

About Sir Thomas, which is germane to your research we learn
A) Fifth son
B) Born in 1556, died 20 aug 1599
C) Knighted 1588 by E1
D) President of Munster 1597
E) Elected Lord Justice of Ireland, but election not confirmed by Queen E
F) died "at his home in Mallow, co Cork [Ireland]" due to a battle wound he had received a few months earlier
G) *"Sole Heiress"* Elizabeth Norris, by his wife Bridget KINGSMILL dau of Sir William KINGSMILL of Sydmonton, Hampshire
H) His daughter and sole heiress married "John Jephson of Froyle, Hampshire" by whom a son William Jephson of Froyle

It just so happens William himself has a DNB by which we learn he was born about (?) 1615 and died abt (?) 1659

Now after digesting that we turn to A2A which has a *single* document on a search for "Jephson near9 Froyle" which tells us surprisingly that there was an adult William Jephson of Froyle conveying "West Itchenor" on 18 Feb 1607/8 to Francis Neville of Keynor, Esq.

And that this William Jephson is there called "Kt"

This *cannot be* the same William who obtained Froyle at the Dissolution, so it would appear there is yet another William Jephson who was knight by 1608.

I'm going to anticipate that he is a grandson of that first William (who m Mary Giffard), *and* furthermore that he d.s.p. leaving *his brother* John (m Elizabeth Norris) as *his* heir.

All of this is idle speculation, but it does provide a framework for futher work.
See document below

Will Johnson
-----------------
West Sussex Record Office: The Goodwood Estate Archives [Estate Papers 2]
The Goodwood Estate Archives
Catalogue Ref. GOODWOOD
Creator(s): Lennox, Gordon-, family, Dukes of Richmond and Gordon
Gordon-Lennox family, Dukes of Richmond and Gordon
Goodwood MS. E2607
By courtesy of His Grace the Duke of Richmond and Gordon, and with acknowledgments to the West Sussex County Record Office and the County Archivist

ESTATE PAPERS
TITLE DEEDS
WEST ITCHENOR
FILE - Conveyance - ref. GOODWOOD/E2607 - date: 18 Feb 1607/8
[from Scope and Content] William Jephson of Froyle, co. Hants., kt., to Francis Nevill of Keynor [in Sidlesham], esq.

Gjest

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 jul 2007 23:13:42

On 27 Jul., 19:16, SomersetSue <SueBu...@aol.com> wrote:
Hello

I am trying to find out what I can about a family called Jephson, of
Froyle in Hampshire.

I had already found a claim that Alice Jephson of Froyle married
William Hickman of Woodford.http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... ckman1.htm
They were named as the parents of Anthony Hickman the merchant who
married Rose Locke (she was born in 1537 according to her own
autobiography).
I then did a bit of hunting online and discovered that a William
Jephson became the owner of the manor of Froyle in 1536 after the
Dissolution of the Monasteries.http://www.froyle.com/histnotes3.htm

I've wondered if Alice is possibly a daughter of that William. However
her own children would have been born around the time William Jephson
acquired Froyle so I can't quite understand why she was called "of
Froyle" unless the family lived in the village before William became
the Lord of the Manor.

If Alice is the child of William then I've seen a claim that her
mother was Mary Giffard (daughter of Sir William Giffard and Eleanor
Paulet).https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/We ... ifford.htm

This seems possible because I found a reference to a book to which I
haven't got access but the clue was in the google link.

JSTOR: The Role of Family and Religion in the Local Politics of ...
For Hampshire in the 1560s the survival of one of the earliest and
most ..... reign.34 Richard Gifford also had a nephew named William
Jephson who was a ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0018-246X(198206)25%3A2%3C267%3ATROFAR
%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H

If Alice Jephson was the daughter of William Jephson and Mary Giffard
that then gives a line back through Giffards and Paulets which I've
spotted on Leo's site.

Has anyone any more useful information on these people please?

Adding to Will's useful snippets, I can advise that Berry's Hampshire
Pedigrees, quoting the Visitation of 1634, shows the following for
Jephson:

Mr Jephson had issue:

1. William, eldest son

2. Sir John Jephson of Froyle, Kt [according to my notes he was a
Major-General, MP and PC, and was knighted at Dublin 18.12.1608]; he
married firstly a daughter and heir of Thomas Norris, "uncle of Lord
Norris", and secondly the widow of Sir Francis Rush of Ireland. By
his first wife he had: William; Norris; John; Thomas; Elizabeth [my
note adds she married Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan, Meath, d
1657]; Frances; Mary, and Theodosia.

There was also a daughter who married Richard Whitehed of Titherly.

Arms: argent, on a chevron sable between three lions' heads gules
bezanty, a sun in glory (Burke's says they formerly used an older
coat).

I think the surname was also spelled "Jefson".

Regards, Michael

SomersetSue

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av SomersetSue » 27 jul 2007 23:24:05

Thank you Will

That's all going to keep me thinking for a while. Much appreciated.

I came across an old message on Rootsweb with a dead e-mail link but
the man who put it there in 1998 said.

"I am researching the family of JEPHSON who apparently lived in
Lancaster
before 1600. one branch -- William JEPHSON was granted the manor of
Froyle in Hampshire in 1541 whilst another - John JEPHSON - purchased
lands in Ireland where he settled."

I am on a hunt for the person who wrote the message.

Best wishes
Sue

Gjest

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 jul 2007 23:24:28

On 27 Jul., 23:18, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:

And as usual I appear to be *half-right* by the authority (as it were) of Burkes(1865). A poor resource, but useful for the received structure.

Burke's Peerage and Baronetage (1865), "Norreys", pg 827
which is online at ancestry ($$$) for those with the British records subscription herehttp://content.ancestry.com/iexec/? ... d=DictPe...
tells us that Mary Giffard was the *second* wife of William Jephson who received Froyle from H8 at the Dissolution.

His first wife, they say, was an unnamed daughter of John Goriage Esq of Burton, Sussex,

This is probably John *Goring* of Burton; his daughter Constance was
the wife of Sir John Kingsmill of Basingstoke, CJ (CP), according to
Berry. Sir John Kingsmill was the son of "Jane, daughter of Sir John
Gifford of Erhill, Hants" - rather a tangled web of relationships!

MAR

Gjest

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 jul 2007 23:27:37

On 27 Jul., 23:22, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 07/27/07 15:15:58 Pacific Standard Time, mj...@btinternet.com writes:
William; Norris; John; Thomas; Elizabeth [my
note adds she married Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan, Meath, d
1657]; Frances; Mary, and Theodosia.
Fantastic. Because an hour ago I had added to my database the disconnected couple
Elizabeth Jephson and John Gifford
Both of Froyle.

They, you see, have an
Allegations for Marriage Licences in Dampshire, in the Registry of the Bishop of Winchester.
1636
County: Hampshire Country: England
Sir Jno Jefford of Froyle knight & Eliz Jephson of the s sp, at F, 07 Oct 1636.

I think "of the s" means of the *same*
but what does "sp at F" mean ?

"of the s sp, at F"

= of the same, spinster, at Froyle

MAR

Gjest

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 jul 2007 23:50:50

On 27 Jul., 23:38, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 07/27/07 15:27:53 Pacific Standard Time, mj...@btinternet.com writes:
This is probably John *Goring* of Burton; his daughter Constance was
the wife of Sir John Kingsmill of Basingstoke, CJ (CP), according to
Berry. Sir John Kingsmill was the son of "Jane, daughter of Sir John
Gifford of Erhill, Hants" - rather a tangled web of relationships!

-----------------
Yes, I agree, now that you've kindly pointed it out.
It makes perfect sense as *Bridget* Kingsmill would then be the daughter of *Bridget* Raleigh

I now have 15 of the 16 great-great-grandparents of Elizabeth Norris who m Sir John Jephson. I'm only missing position 31 the wife of Judge Humphrey Coningsby who d 2 Jun 1535.

This date must not be stated as fact, I only picked it up off OWT and haven't verified it yet.

ODNB confirms this date. It states the Judge had three wives:

(a) Isabel Fereby, "died in the 1490s"

(b) about 1499, Alice, daughter and heir of Sir John Fraunceys and
widow successively of John Worsley and William Staveley (d 1498); she
died in 1500

(c) in 1504, Anne, daughter and heir of Sir Christopher Moresby and
widow of James Pickering (d 1498); she died in 1523.

The Judge had two sons by his first wife, and five daughters
(Elizabeth, Amphelice [sic], Margaret, Jane, and another Elizabeth)
but the mother of the daughters is not specified in ODNB - I presume
this is why your 32nd place is blank.

MA-R

SomersetSue

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av SomersetSue » 27 jul 2007 23:59:43

Aha

I took my eyes off this thread while I made a cup of coffee and
suddenly loads of findings!

Thank you everyone.

I'm a little puzzled by the Hickman confusion. I am going to have to
try and sort out who is who.

This is the version which a lot of people seem to be following
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... ckman1.htm

British History online says (without mentioning a wife)

Walter Hickman, who died in 1540, directed that his body should be
buried at Woodford; he bequeathed to Clement, his son, four of his
best ambling mares, his best gown lined with sitches, and his russet
gown lined with fox. To the church of Woodford he left 10l. for the
purpose of redeeming paschal money at Easter; so that every body in
the parish, being free from the payment of the same, when they came to
God's board, might say a Pater noster and an Ave for his soul, and all
Christian souls (fn. 11) .

From: 'Woodford', The Environs of London: volume 4: Counties of Herts,
Essex & Kent (1796), pp. 273-87. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=45477.
Date accessed: 27 July 2007.

I have just reread a document I sent Will earlier
Johnson, R. (Richard). The baronetage of England: containing a
genealogical and historical account of all the English baronets now
existing: with their descents, ... London, 1771. 600pp. Vol. 1 of 3 (3
vols. available).History and Geography

That clearly says that Anthony Hickman's father was Walter. So it
looks as if the stirnet site version has got an extra generation
slipped in there.

That makes me wonder about Alice now! Is she really Editha?

I shall have to ponder on this tomorrow when I'm more awake!

Best wishes
Sue

John Higgins

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av John Higgins » 28 jul 2007 04:04:25

As to the Jephsons:

The 1937 edition of Burke's Landed Gentry (as well as, apparently, the 1976
edition of Burke's Irish Family Records, which I haven't seen) has a
pedigree of the family of Jephson-Norreys (a surname assumed by them only in
1926). The Jephson part of the pedigree starts out as follows:

" William Jephson had a grant of the manor of Froyle, Hants, King Henry VIII
1534. He m. 1st Mary, dau. of John Goringe of Burton, Sussex, by whom he
had a son William; he m. 2ndly Mary dau. of Sir William Gifford, by whom he
had three daus." [the daughters are not named]

As to the Hickmans:

The Stirnet site cites as its Hickman source Maddison's Lincolnshire
Pedigrees, but it appears to have miscopied a key generation from Maddison.
In Maddison (vol. 51 of the Harleian Society Publications), it was Walter,
not William, Hickman who mar. Alice, "dau. of ....Jephson of Froyle, Hants".
Maddison does not indicate any other Hickman/Jephson marriage, so (unless
he's incomnplete - always a possibility) presumably this Alice is the
Jephson referred to as Editha in the 1857 BP that Will Johnson cited
elsewhere in this thread - although the chronology does seems a bit
difficult.

----- Original Message -----
From: "SomersetSue" <SueBurne@aol.com>
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Jephsons of Froyle


Hello

I am trying to find out what I can about a family called Jephson, of
Froyle in Hampshire.

I had already found a claim that Alice Jephson of Froyle married
William Hickman of Woodford.
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... ckman1.htm
They were named as the parents of Anthony Hickman the merchant who
married Rose Locke (she was born in 1537 according to her own
autobiography).
I then did a bit of hunting online and discovered that a William
Jephson became the owner of the manor of Froyle in 1536 after the
Dissolution of the Monasteries.
http://www.froyle.com/histnotes3.htm

I've wondered if Alice is possibly a daughter of that William. However
her own children would have been born around the time William Jephson
acquired Froyle so I can't quite understand why she was called "of
Froyle" unless the family lived in the village before William became
the Lord of the Manor.

If Alice is the child of William then I've seen a claim that her
mother was Mary Giffard (daughter of Sir William Giffard and Eleanor
Paulet).
https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/We ... ifford.htm

This seems possible because I found a reference to a book to which I
haven't got access but the clue was in the google link.

JSTOR: The Role of Family and Religion in the Local Politics of ...
For Hampshire in the 1560s the survival of one of the earliest and
most ..... reign.34 Richard Gifford also had a nephew named William
Jephson who was a ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0018-246X(198206)25%3A2%3C267%3ATROFAR
%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H

If Alice Jephson was the daughter of William Jephson and Mary Giffard
that then gives a line back through Giffards and Paulets which I've
spotted on Leo's site.

Has anyone any more useful information on these people please?

Best wishes
Sue


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Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av John Higgins » 28 jul 2007 04:20:11

There is more to the Jephson/Gifford connection than just the marriage of
Sir John Jephson's daughter Elizabeth to Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan.
Sir John Jephson's 2nd wife Mary was the widow not only of Sir Francis Ruish
[or Rush} but also of Sir Richard Gifford of Castle Jordan, by whom she was
mother of Sir John Gifford. So Mary's son Sir John Gifford (stepson of Sir
John Jephson) married Sir John Jephson's daughter Elizabeth (stepdaughter of
Mary). Nothing like a close family connection for a good marriage, I
guess....

The thrice-married Mary was daughter of Sir Henry Duke of Castle Jordan,
apparently by his 1st wife Anne Moore, of the family of Moore of Mellifont.
Can anyone provide any information on the ancestry of Sir Henry Duke?

----- Original Message -----
From: <mjcar@btinternet.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Jephsons of Froyle

[snip]

Adding to Will's useful snippets, I can advise that Berry's Hampshire
Pedigrees, quoting the Visitation of 1634, shows the following for
Jephson:

Mr Jephson had issue:

1. William, eldest son

2. Sir John Jephson of Froyle, Kt [according to my notes he was a
Major-General, MP and PC, and was knighted at Dublin 18.12.1608]; he
married firstly a daughter and heir of Thomas Norris, "uncle of Lord
Norris", and secondly the widow of Sir Francis Rush of Ireland. By
his first wife he had: William; Norris; John; Thomas; Elizabeth [my
note adds she married Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan, Meath, d
1657]; Frances; Mary, and Theodosia.

There was also a daughter who married Richard Whitehed of Titherly.

Arms: argent, on a chevron sable between three lions' heads gules
bezanty, a sun in glory (Burke's says they formerly used an older
coat).

I think the surname was also spelled "Jefson".

Regards, Michael

John Higgins

Re: Jephsons of Froyle

Legg inn av John Higgins » 28 jul 2007 04:28:40

There is a fair amount of biographical information on Justice Humphrey
Coningsby in an article in vol. 26 of "The Genealogist" [new series].
Although it overlooks his 2nd marriage (perhaps because it was apparently so
short), it does say specifically that all of his children were by his 1st
wife, identified as Alice [not Isabel] Fereby or Ferby. The article notes
that a Coningsby pedigree in the Worcestershire visitations (HSP vol. 27)
says [without noting her Christian name] that she was of a Lincolnshire
family, but also says that it is more likely of the family of Paul's Cray
Hill, Kent. Although it doesn't make a specific connection for her, it
notes that John Ferby, son of Thomas, of that family was involved in some
transactions with Humphrey Coningsby (assumed to be the Judge), thus
suggesting that his 1st wife may be from that family.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mjcar@btinternet.com>
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Jephsons of Froyle


On 27 Jul., 23:38, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 07/27/07 15:27:53 Pacific Standard Time,
mj...@btinternet.com writes:
This is probably John *Goring* of Burton; his daughter Constance was
the wife of Sir John Kingsmill of Basingstoke, CJ (CP), according to
Berry. Sir John Kingsmill was the son of "Jane, daughter of Sir John
Gifford of Erhill, Hants" - rather a tangled web of relationships!

-----------------
Yes, I agree, now that you've kindly pointed it out.
It makes perfect sense as *Bridget* Kingsmill would then be the daughter
of *Bridget* Raleigh

I now have 15 of the 16 great-great-grandparents of Elizabeth Norris who
m Sir John Jephson. I'm only missing position 31 the wife of Judge

Humphrey Coningsby who d 2 Jun 1535.
This date must not be stated as fact, I only picked it up off OWT and
haven't verified it yet.

ODNB confirms this date. It states the Judge had three wives:

(a) Isabel Fereby, "died in the 1490s"

(b) about 1499, Alice, daughter and heir of Sir John Fraunceys and
widow successively of John Worsley and William Staveley (d 1498); she
died in 1500

(c) in 1504, Anne, daughter and heir of Sir Christopher Moresby and
widow of James Pickering (d 1498); she died in 1523.

The Judge had two sons by his first wife, and five daughters
(Elizabeth, Amphelice [sic], Margaret, Jane, and another Elizabeth)
but the mother of the daughters is not specified in ODNB - I presume
this is why your 32nd place is blank.

MA-R


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