Am hopeful that someone in the group can help me with the following.
The parents of Pedro Froilaz de Traba are Froila Vermudez and Elvira
de Faro.
The parents of Rodrigo Forjaz de Trastamara are Forjaz
Bermudes[ Vermudez] & Elvira GONCALVES. They had a son Goncalo
Rodrigues da Palmeira.
I have read every post on both these gentlemen and in one post it is
said that Rodrigo is the brother of Pedro Froilaz de Traba.
My information shows the parents of Elvira de Faro as Mendo Bermudez
de Faro & Ilduara Gutierrez de Atranga
The parent given for Elvira GONCALVES is Goncalo Moninho Villalobos.
Am I confusing the Pedros and Rodrigos? Can someone please tell me
which Pedro Froilaz and which Rodrigo Forjaz are brothers? Are Froila
VERMUDEZ & Forjaz BERMUDES one and the same? It appears I have the
lines tangled.
Thank you
Marge Perry
Froilaz de Traba- Forjaz de Trastamara
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taf
Re: Froilaz de Traba- Forjaz de Trastamara
On Jul 24, 9:28 am, mep33 <me...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
THere are really two different answers here. Without chronology, it is
hard to be certain, but they may well have been intented to be the
same person. The Trastamara family derived from the Traba, so the
toponymics are consistent. Vermudez and Bermudes are the same name,
probably the Castillian and Portuguese renderings. Forjaz is not a
name from this period, but is probably a corrupted fomr of Fruelaz, so
it is quite likely that Fruela Vermudez de Traba and Forjaz Bermudes
de Trastamara are intended to be representations of the same name.
Bearing that in mind, though, this is a period around which much
pedigree invention has taken place. I don't know if this is really the
case, but for example, a Palmeira genealogist may simply have decided
to make their founder a nephew of the famous Pedro Fruelaz de Traba.
Nothing from this period can be trusted unless you see it described in
a scholarly article providing references to primary sources (and not
just rehashing the same old stuff).
taf
Am hopeful that someone in the group can help me with the following.
The parents of Pedro Froilaz de Traba are Froila Vermudez and Elvira
de Faro.
The parents of Rodrigo Forjaz de Trastamara are Forjaz
Bermudes[ Vermudez] & Elvira GONCALVES. They had a son Goncalo
Rodrigues da Palmeira.
I have read every post on both these gentlemen and in one post it is
said that Rodrigo is the brother of Pedro Froilaz de Traba.
My information shows the parents of Elvira de Faro as Mendo Bermudez
de Faro & Ilduara Gutierrez de Atranga
The parent given for Elvira GONCALVES is Goncalo Moninho Villalobos.
Am I confusing the Pedros and Rodrigos? Can someone please tell me
which Pedro Froilaz and which Rodrigo Forjaz are brothers? Are Froila
VERMUDEZ & Forjaz BERMUDES one and the same? It appears I have the
lines tangled.
THere are really two different answers here. Without chronology, it is
hard to be certain, but they may well have been intented to be the
same person. The Trastamara family derived from the Traba, so the
toponymics are consistent. Vermudez and Bermudes are the same name,
probably the Castillian and Portuguese renderings. Forjaz is not a
name from this period, but is probably a corrupted fomr of Fruelaz, so
it is quite likely that Fruela Vermudez de Traba and Forjaz Bermudes
de Trastamara are intended to be representations of the same name.
Bearing that in mind, though, this is a period around which much
pedigree invention has taken place. I don't know if this is really the
case, but for example, a Palmeira genealogist may simply have decided
to make their founder a nephew of the famous Pedro Fruelaz de Traba.
Nothing from this period can be trusted unless you see it described in
a scholarly article providing references to primary sources (and not
just rehashing the same old stuff).
taf
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mep33
Re: Froilaz de Traba- Forjaz de Trastamara
On Jul 28, 3:21 pm, taf <farme...@interfold.com> wrote:
Thank you . Will continue the search.
Marge Perry
On Jul 24, 9:28 am, mep33 <me...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Am hopeful that someone in the group can help me with the following.
The parents of Pedro Froilaz de Traba are Froila Vermudez and Elvira
de Faro.
The parents of Rodrigo Forjaz de Trastamara are Forjaz
Bermudes[ Vermudez] & Elvira GONCALVES. They had a son Goncalo
Rodrigues da Palmeira.
I have read every post on both these gentlemen and in one post it is
said that Rodrigo is the brother of Pedro Froilaz de Traba.
My information shows the parents of Elvira de Faro as Mendo Bermudez
de Faro & Ilduara Gutierrez de Atranga
The parent given for Elvira GONCALVES is Goncalo Moninho Villalobos.
Am I confusing the Pedros and Rodrigos? Can someone please tell me
which Pedro Froilaz and which Rodrigo Forjaz are brothers? Are Froila
VERMUDEZ & Forjaz BERMUDES one and the same? It appears I have the
lines tangled.
THere are really two different answers here. Without chronology, it is
hard to be certain, but they may well have been intented to be the
same person. The Trastamara family derived from the Traba, so the
toponymics are consistent. Vermudez and Bermudes are the same name,
probably the Castillian and Portuguese renderings. Forjaz is not a
name from this period, but is probably a corrupted fomr of Fruelaz, so
it is quite likely that Fruela Vermudez de Traba and Forjaz Bermudes
de Trastamara are intended to be representations of the same name.
Bearing that in mind, though, this is a period around which much
pedigree invention has taken place. I don't know if this is really the
case, but for example, a Palmeira genealogist may simply have decided
to make their founder a nephew of the famous Pedro Fruelaz de Traba.
Nothing from this period can be trusted unless you see it described in
a scholarly article providing references to primary sources (and not
just rehashing the same old stuff).
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Thank you . Will continue the search.
Marge Perry