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Fw: Visitations?

Legg inn av Ford Mommaerts-Browne » 17 jul 2007 19:47:37

I understand that the Netherlands were not a politically unified entity during the medieval & early modern periods. I was using the term geographically. What I meant by something similar to the Visitations was a collection of genealogical records to determine rights to coats of arms.
Ford
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From: "Volucris" <volucris@kpnplanet.nl>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Visitations?


: On 14 jul, 17:26, "Ford Mommaerts-Browne" <FordMommae...@cox.net>
: wrote:
: > Dear Group:
: > Are ther any things similar to the Heralds' Visitaions, (or Burke's Landed Gentry), for the Medieval Netherlands?
: > Ford
:
: Richard's refference was quite informative and helpfull.
:
: To my knowledge no such centralised institution as the Heralds
: Visitations existed in the Netherlands. The Netherlands were
: historically speaking a conglomerate of duchies, counties and
: lordships under the Holy Roman Emperor. No centralised state.
:
: Brabant, Holland and Gelre came eventually in the possession of one
: hand through inheritance: first the dukes of Burgundy and later the
: Habsburgers that became emperor of Spain. In the second half of the
: 16th century the call for religious reforms ignited several parts of
: the country into rebellion and civil war. The Northern provinces
: separated themself and choose a new leader from the family of Nassau.
: But this leadership was under strict supervision of a parlement. There
: have been periods that our country leaned from republic to monarchy
: and back. The Southern Netherlands were occupied territory.
:
: There was no centralised control on the assuming or wearing of arms.
: We had a horizontal society: the poor, farmers, craftsmen, clergymen,
: merchants, the well offs and the class of the gentry. The wearing of
: arms was more a matter of blood, education and pretension. The gentry
: had priviliges though of being exempt of certain taxes. There are lots
: of court cases in which the poorer gentry claimed to be of noble
: blood. Pretensions to rise beyond the horizontal stratigrafy were only
: occasionly succesfull. In the 16th century the gentry became bit by
: bit a more closed community.
:
: >From the second half of the 17th century there are examples known of
: persons who wanted to claim nobility and turned to the Spanish king
: (Belgium was still Spanish). He then commisioned heralds to research
: such claims. Some of those heralds have misused their position. On the
: knowledge of the question of (medieval) arms one has to rely on luck
: that a drawing, seal, windowpane, memorial boards, gravestone,
: choniquers, family traditions, paintings preserved a particular family
: weapon. Besides these individual preserved arms there are a few
: heralds (for instance the Herald Gelre) known who left books with
: personal and family arms.
:
: Hans Vogels
:
:
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Volucris

Re: Fw: Visitations?

Legg inn av Volucris » 19 jul 2007 19:35:02

No, not in the Netherlands.

King Philip II of Spain gave an edict of 23-09-1595 and the Archdukes
Albert and Isabella gave another one on 14-12-1616 with regards to
nobility and the right to wear coats of arms, etc.. Any archive/
collection that deals with records on what you seek has to be sought
in Belgium.

Hans Vogels


On 17 jul, 20:47, "Ford Mommaerts-Browne" <FordMommae...@cox.net>
wrote:
I understand that the Netherlands were not a politically unified entity during the medieval & early modern periods. I was using the term geographically. What I meant by something similar to the Visitations was a collection of genealogical records to determine rights to coats of arms.
Ford



----- Original Message -----
From: "Volucris" <voluc...@kpnplanet.nl
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Visitations?

: On 14 jul, 17:26, "Ford Mommaerts-Browne" <FordMommae...@cox.net
: wrote:
: > Dear Group:
: > Are ther any things similar to the Heralds' Visitaions, (or Burke's Landed Gentry), for the Medieval Netherlands?
: > Ford
:
: Richard's refference was quite informative and helpfull.
:
: To my knowledge no such centralised institution as the Heralds
: Visitations existed in the Netherlands. The Netherlands were
: historically speaking a conglomerate of duchies, counties and
: lordships under the Holy Roman Emperor. No centralised state.
:
: Brabant, Holland and Gelre came eventually in the possession of one
: hand through inheritance: first the dukes of Burgundy and later the
: Habsburgers that became emperor of Spain. In the second half of the
: 16th century the call for religious reforms ignited several parts of
: the country into rebellion and civil war. The Northern provinces
: separated themself and choose a new leader from the family of Nassau.
: But this leadership was under strict supervision of a parlement. There
: have been periods that our country leaned from republic to monarchy
: and back. The Southern Netherlands were occupied territory.
:
: There was no centralised control on the assuming or wearing of arms.
: We had a horizontal society: the poor, farmers, craftsmen, clergymen,
: merchants, the well offs and the class of the gentry. The wearing of
: arms was more a matter of blood, education and pretension. The gentry
: had priviliges though of being exempt of certain taxes. There are lots
: of court cases in which the poorer gentry claimed to be of noble
: blood. Pretensions to rise beyond the horizontal stratigrafy were only
: occasionly succesfull. In the 16th century the gentry became bit by
: bit a more closed community.
:
: >From the second half of the 17th century there are examples known of
: persons who wanted to claim nobility and turned to the Spanish king
: (Belgium was still Spanish). He then commisioned heralds to research
: such claims. Some of those heralds have misused their position. On the
: knowledge of the question of (medieval) arms one has to rely on luck
: that a drawing, seal, windowpane, memorial boards, gravestone,
: choniquers, family traditions, paintings preserved a particular family
: weapon. Besides these individual preserved arms there are a few
: heralds (for instance the Herald Gelre) known who left books with
: personal and family arms.
:
: Hans Vogels
:
:
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