Agnes d'Aubigny, wife of William de Mowbray (?)

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John P. Ravilious

Agnes d'Aubigny, wife of William de Mowbray (?)

Legg inn av John P. Ravilious » 07 jul 2007 02:16:03

Friday, 6 July, 2007


Dear Doug, et al.,

In your fine work, Magna Carta Ancestry, you wrote in
part concerning the surety William de Mowbray (d. 1224) that
he had married Agnes, daughter of William d'Aubeney (also
d'Albini or d'Aubigny), 2nd Earl of Arundel. This is
referenced to Paget's Baronage of England 12:3, which is
indicated as being based on Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum
(1819) 2:193, no. 40 [1].

I have found nothing in that portion of Monasticon
Anglicanum relevant to this issue, but have found that the
15th century "Progenies Moubraiorum" is part of the
collection of charters of the abbey of Newburgh given by
Dugdale in the Monasticon Anglicanum. This states in part
that William de Mowbray ' [married a daughter] of the Earl
of Arundel, named Agnes, and had by her Nigel and Robert
(sive Roger)' [2]. This is taken up in the Dictionary
of National Biography account of William de Mowbray, and
is found widely in other accounts drawn therefrom (online
and otherwise), including Paget. The account in Complete
Peerage calls William's wife Avice, without identifying any
parentage, 'said to have been' or otherwise. It is possible
that this was another wife, or that there are two different
names being used for the same woman (e.g. Agnes -> Annes ->
Anice -> Avice).

The fact that the "Progenies Moubraiorum" is not a
contemporary (13th century) document is not helpful in this
regard: many of the statements concerning the family both
before and after William de Mowbray are known to have been
correct, but there are factual errors in the document as
well. I have as yet found no other evidence (land tenure,
onomastics, etc.) that would either support or refute the
alleged d'Aubigny parentage of 'Agnes'.

If there is any further evidence known to bear on this
matter, I for one would be very glad to hear of it.

Cheers,

John




NOTES

[1] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (Baltimore:
Genealogical Publishing Co., 2005), p. 598.

[2] Dugdale, Mon. Angl. VI(1):320, Num. VI, which cites
the location of the charter: "[Ex MS. Cod. in
bibliotheca Cottoniana (sub effigie Cleopatrae C. 3)
f. 301 a. Videsis etiam Regist. de Fontibus f. 152a.]"
The relevant portion reads:
' Willihelmus autem primogenitus et haeres Nigelli
de Molbray captus fuit apud Lincolniam in quodam
bello, et dedit pro redemptione sua quandam villam
nomine Benestede, juxta London..... comitis de
Arundel, nomine Agnetem, et genuit ex ea Nigellum
et Robertum (sive Rogerum.) '

[3] CP IX:376, sub _Mowbray_.

Douglas Richardson

Re: Agnes d'Aubigny, wife of William de Mowbray (?)

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 08 jul 2007 00:54:40

Dear John ~

Thank you for your good post. You've raised an excellent issue.
When I have time later this week, I'll atempt to give you a proper
reply here on the newsgroup.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

On Jul 6, 7:16 pm, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
Friday, 6 July, 2007

Dear Doug, et al.,

In your fine work, Magna Carta Ancestry, you wrote in
part concerning the surety William de Mowbray (d. 1224) that
he had married Agnes, daughter of William d'Aubeney (also
d'Albini or d'Aubigny), 2nd Earl of Arundel. This is
referenced to Paget's Baronage of England 12:3, which is
indicated as being based on Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum
(1819) 2:193, no. 40 [1].

I have found nothing in that portion of Monasticon
Anglicanum relevant to this issue, but have found that the
15th century "Progenies Moubraiorum" is part of the
collection of charters of the abbey of Newburgh given by
Dugdale in the Monasticon Anglicanum. This states in part
that William de Mowbray ' [married a daughter] of the Earl
of Arundel, named Agnes, and had by her Nigel and Robert
(sive Roger)' [2]. This is taken up in the Dictionary
of National Biography account of William de Mowbray, and
is found widely in other accounts drawn therefrom (online
and otherwise), including Paget. The account in Complete
Peerage calls William's wife Avice, without identifying any
parentage, 'said to have been' or otherwise. It is possible
that this was another wife, or that there are two different
names being used for the same woman (e.g. Agnes -> Annes -
Anice -> Avice).

The fact that the "Progenies Moubraiorum" is not a
contemporary (13th century) document is not helpful in this
regard: many of the statements concerning the family both
before and after William de Mowbray are known to have been
correct, but there are factual errors in the document as
well. I have as yet found no other evidence (land tenure,
onomastics, etc.) that would either support or refute the
alleged d'Aubigny parentage of 'Agnes'.

If there is any further evidence known to bear on this
matter, I for one would be very glad to hear of it.

Cheers,

John

NOTES

[1] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (Baltimore:
Genealogical Publishing Co., 2005), p. 598.

[2] Dugdale, Mon. Angl. VI(1):320, Num. VI, which cites
the location of the charter: "[Ex MS. Cod. in
bibliotheca Cottoniana (sub effigie Cleopatrae C. 3)
f. 301 a. Videsis etiam Regist. de Fontibus f. 152a.]"
The relevant portion reads:
' Willihelmus autem primogenitus et haeres Nigelli
de Molbray captus fuit apud Lincolniam in quodam
bello, et dedit pro redemptione sua quandam villam
nomine Benestede, juxta London..... comitis de
Arundel, nomine Agnetem, et genuit ex ea Nigellum
et Robertum (sive Rogerum.) '

[3] CP IX:376, sub _Mowbray_.

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