Fw: Early Australian 'gateway' immigrants with mediaeval anc

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Early Australian 'gateway' immigrants with mediaeval anc

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 06 jul 2007 01:08:40

This message appeared shortly before I went to hospital and only now found
this message.

When we talk about Royal ancestors, we cannot restrict this to only English
royalty. If we did we would deprive a lot of people of interesting
continental ancestors.

For instance this Theobald Butler born in 1610 is a descendant of :

Edward I, King of England
Alfonso IX, King of Leon
Llywellyn Fawr of Wales
Jean de Brienne, King of Jerusalem, Emperor of Constantinople
Alfonso VIII, King of Castile
William the Lion, King of Scots
Louis VI, King of France
Alfonso II, King of Aragon
Afonso I, King of Portugal
Garcia VI, King of Navarre
Wladislaw II, King of Poland
Jaroslav I, Grand Duke of Kiev
and, of course, William the Conqueror and Charlemagne.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Early Australian 'gateway' immigrants with mediaeval ancestry


On Apr 16, 4:02 pm, "wjhonson" <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
If this ascent is to be believed than this line has more than one
royal ascent.>From this alledged Theobald Butler of Priestown b 1610 I
have seven of

his 16 great-grandparents with royal English ascents.

I made the possibly false assumption that "Margaret O'Brien of
Thomond" fit as a daughter to
Donough O'Brien d 1624 by his wife Elizabeth FitzGerald.

Margaret of Thomond was the daughter of Conor O'Brien, 3rd Earl of
Thomond (1535-1581) & Una/Wonafrit O'Brien of Arra. Your Donough
O'Brien was her brother. Of course, if you expand the definition of
"royal" beyond England, the O'Brien Earls of Thomond were the same
lineage as the older Kings of Ormond; Conor's grandfather styled
himself as the King of Thomond while his brother, Murrough, was the
1st Earl.

If Margaret actually fits one generation earlier (which is possible)
she would lose several ascents, but not all of them.

I do not have a royal ascent yet for Donough O'Brien, 2nd Earl of
Thomond who d 1553
nor for
Thomas FitzMaurice, 16th Lord of Kerry who d 1590

Will Johnson

The Butlers had a number of royal connections; I only mentioned the
one that is most famous and direct via the Butler-Bohun marriage..
Please refer to the lineages posted by the Butler Society and on
Genealogics.



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