Hello Listers,
I'm a newbie to this list but seeking some guidance as to the general
reliability of some works which claim to throw some light on the medieval
ancestry of the WATERHOUSE families. The references I have listed are:
1. Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum
2. Odericus Vitalis
3. Aubert de la Chenaye des bois
4. Dictionaire de la Noblesse
5. Gratton's Chronicle
The family is supposed to have it's origins in Normandy. Names which are
supposedly all connected with the same family include:-
Guiscardus de Lymosin alias Levemezoun dominus Molyns (Latin Records)
Richarde de Leumesin, Seigneur de Moulins (Richard Glover, Somerset Herald)
Guiscardus de Lamemexoun, Guiscard de Lymosin, Guiscard de Leumesin,
Seignour de Molyns (Norman Chroniclers)
I should stress that I am a newbie to research in this area and have no
knowledge of Norman French or Latin. Any guidance that can be offered will
be most gratefully received!!
Regards
Chris in South Australia
Waterhouse
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
-
Ian Wallace
Re: Waterhouse
Attempts were made by others in 1999 and 2004 to get 'bites' on this
medieval Waterhouse line without success. At the time the lack of
response increased my doubts about its validity.
Grattons Chronicle is actually Grafton's Chronicle and dates from the
sixteenth century I think (I was looking at several editions from the
1560s last night). The 1809 edition discussed on the Waterhouse list
recently is a much later reprint which I have not been able to get
hold off. The chronicle appears to consist of recycled unattributed
material. I am not saying it might not contain interesting Waterhouse
references, but it is not a primary source. Trawling through the
sixteenth century versions I have not seen any Waterhouse/Leumesin/
Lymosin references, but the pagination does not tie up with the 1809
edition.
Hopefully someone will recognise the names in the final part of your
posting and confirm at least that they were real people.
Ian.
medieval Waterhouse line without success. At the time the lack of
response increased my doubts about its validity.
Grattons Chronicle is actually Grafton's Chronicle and dates from the
sixteenth century I think (I was looking at several editions from the
1560s last night). The 1809 edition discussed on the Waterhouse list
recently is a much later reprint which I have not been able to get
hold off. The chronicle appears to consist of recycled unattributed
material. I am not saying it might not contain interesting Waterhouse
references, but it is not a primary source. Trawling through the
sixteenth century versions I have not seen any Waterhouse/Leumesin/
Lymosin references, but the pagination does not tie up with the 1809
edition.
Hopefully someone will recognise the names in the final part of your
posting and confirm at least that they were real people.
Ian.
-
Margaret
Re: Waterhouse
On Jul 1, 4:38 am, "Chris Ward" <cee...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hello Chris
All I can add is that Leumesin, Lymosin sound like some of the many
variations of Limousin, France but I've no idea if that helps.
yours
Margaret
Hello Listers,
I'm a newbie to this list but seeking some guidance as to the general
reliability of some works which claim to throw some light on the medieval
ancestry of the WATERHOUSE families. The references I have listed are:
1. Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum
2. Odericus Vitalis
3. Aubert de la Chenaye des bois
4. Dictionaire de la Noblesse
5. Gratton's Chronicle
The family is supposed to have it's origins in Normandy. Names which are
supposedly all connected with the same family include:-
Guiscardus de Lymosin alias Levemezoun dominus Molyns (Latin Records)
Richarde de Leumesin, Seigneur de Moulins (Richard Glover, Somerset Herald)
Guiscardus de Lamemexoun, Guiscard de Lymosin, Guiscard de Leumesin,
Seignour de Molyns (Norman Chroniclers)
I should stress that I am a newbie to research in this area and have no
knowledge of Norman French or Latin. Any guidance that can be offered will
be most gratefully received!!
Regards
Chris in South Australia
Hello Chris
All I can add is that Leumesin, Lymosin sound like some of the many
variations of Limousin, France but I've no idea if that helps.
yours
Margaret
-
Chris Ward
RE: Waterhouse
Thanks Margaret,
It may help. The Waterhouse ancestors supposedly came to England from
Normandy around the time of the Conquest. Perhaps the "L" names were the
beginnings of geographic surnames so that we have Richard of Limousin the
same as we could have Margaret of Paris. Is there an English word for
limousin? Is Moulins or Molyns a locality in France and is either locality
connected with Normandy? Pardon my apparent complete lack of knowledge
concerning France and French geography!
Regards
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:45 PM
To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Waterhouse
On Jul 1, 4:38 am, "Chris Ward" <cee...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hello Chris
All I can add is that Leumesin, Lymosin sound like some of the many
variations of Limousin, France but I've no idea if that helps.
yours
Margaret
-------------------------------
To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It may help. The Waterhouse ancestors supposedly came to England from
Normandy around the time of the Conquest. Perhaps the "L" names were the
beginnings of geographic surnames so that we have Richard of Limousin the
same as we could have Margaret of Paris. Is there an English word for
limousin? Is Moulins or Molyns a locality in France and is either locality
connected with Normandy? Pardon my apparent complete lack of knowledge
concerning France and French geography!
Regards
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:45 PM
To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Waterhouse
On Jul 1, 4:38 am, "Chris Ward" <cee...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hello Listers,
I'm a newbie to this list but seeking some guidance as to the general
reliability of some works which claim to throw some light on the medieval
ancestry of the WATERHOUSE families. The references I have listed are:
1. Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum
2. Odericus Vitalis
3. Aubert de la Chenaye des bois
4. Dictionaire de la Noblesse
5. Gratton's Chronicle
The family is supposed to have it's origins in Normandy. Names which are
supposedly all connected with the same family include:-
Guiscardus de Lymosin alias Levemezoun dominus Molyns (Latin Records)
Richarde de Leumesin, Seigneur de Moulins (Richard Glover, Somerset
Herald)
Guiscardus de Lamemexoun, Guiscard de Lymosin, Guiscard de Leumesin,
Seignour de Molyns (Norman Chroniclers)
I should stress that I am a newbie to research in this area and have no
knowledge of Norman French or Latin. Any guidance that can be offered
will
be most gratefully received!!
Regards
Chris in South Australia
Hello Chris
All I can add is that Leumesin, Lymosin sound like some of the many
variations of Limousin, France but I've no idea if that helps.
yours
Margaret
-------------------------------
To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
quotes in the subject and the body of the message
-
Renia
Re: Waterhouse
Chris Ward wrote:
Moulin means windmill, if that's any help.
Thanks Margaret,
It may help. The Waterhouse ancestors supposedly came to England from
Normandy around the time of the Conquest. Perhaps the "L" names were the
beginnings of geographic surnames so that we have Richard of Limousin the
same as we could have Margaret of Paris. Is there an English word for
limousin? Is Moulins or Molyns a locality in France and is either locality
connected with Normandy? Pardon my apparent complete lack of knowledge
concerning France and French geography!
Moulin means windmill, if that's any help.
-
Ian Goddard
Re: Waterhouse
Chris Ward wrote:
surname which is likely to have multiple origins. http://www.streetmap.co.uk
brings up several different Waterhouse place-names. (So do Multimap &
Google maps but these seem to be mostly if not entirely modern house names
but this only serves to emphasise the point that Waterhouse(s) is a
frequently coined place name.)
Any of these places, together with those which have disappeared without
being mapped, could have given rise to a family name. It's at least
possible that your reference books won't have caught all of these.
--
Ian Goddard
Hotmail is for the benefit of spammers. The email address that I actually
read is igoddard and that's at nildram dot co dot uk
Hello Listers,
I'm a newbie to this list but seeking some guidance as to the general
reliability of some works which claim to throw some light on the medieval
ancestry of the WATERHOUSE families. The references I have listed are:
1. Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum
2. Odericus Vitalis
3. Aubert de la Chenaye des bois
4. Dictionaire de la Noblesse
5. Gratton's Chronicle
The family is supposed to have it's origins in Normandy. Names which are
supposedly all connected with the same family include:-
Guiscardus de Lymosin alias Levemezoun dominus Molyns (Latin Records)
Richarde de Leumesin, Seigneur de Moulins (Richard Glover, Somerset
Herald)
Guiscardus de Lamemexoun, Guiscard de Lymosin, Guiscard de Leumesin,
Seignour de Molyns (Norman Chroniclers)
I should stress that I am a newbie to research in this area and have no
knowledge of Norman French or Latin. Any guidance that can be offered
will be most gratefully received!!
Regards
Chris in South Australia
A would be a little wary of a name such as Waterhouse. It's the sort of
surname which is likely to have multiple origins. http://www.streetmap.co.uk
brings up several different Waterhouse place-names. (So do Multimap &
Google maps but these seem to be mostly if not entirely modern house names
but this only serves to emphasise the point that Waterhouse(s) is a
frequently coined place name.)
Any of these places, together with those which have disappeared without
being mapped, could have given rise to a family name. It's at least
possible that your reference books won't have caught all of these.
--
Ian Goddard
Hotmail is for the benefit of spammers. The email address that I actually
read is igoddard and that's at nildram dot co dot uk