Jorz in Northumberland?

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Jorz in Northumberland?

Legg inn av Fred » 16 jun 2007 14:12:13

Dear Group,
An internet site called Surname DB mentions a Geoffrey de Jorz, which was
dated 1234, in the "Place Names Book
of Northumberland", during the reign of King Henry III, known as "The
Frenchman", 1216 - 1272.
But which places names book is it?
Or which place of Northumberland it could be?
Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
Fred.

John Watson

Re: Jorz in Northumberland?

Legg inn av John Watson » 17 jun 2007 03:23:09

On Jun 16, 9:12 pm, "Fred" <F...@nospam.dk> wrote:
Dear Group,
An internet site called Surname DB mentions a Geoffrey de Jorz, which was
dated 1234, in the "Place Names Book
of Northumberland", during the reign of King Henry III, known as "The
Frenchman", 1216 - 1272.
But which places names book is it?
Or which place of Northumberland it could be?
Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
Fred.

Burton Joyce in Nottinghamshire, derives from Geoffrey de Jorz, who
held the manor in 1235. See: A key to English Place-Names
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/english/ins ... toepn.html

Regards,

John

Fred

Re: Jorz in Northumberland?

Legg inn av Fred » 17 jun 2007 11:42:54

John Watson <WatsonJohnM@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
1182046989.870746.82630@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 16, 9:12 pm, "Fred" <F...@nospam.dk> wrote:
Dear Group,
An internet site called Surname DB mentions a Geoffrey de Jorz, which
was
dated 1234, in the "Place Names Book
of Northumberland", during the reign of King Henry III, known as "The
Frenchman", 1216 - 1272.
But which places names book is it?
Or which place of Northumberland it could be?
Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
Fred.

Burton Joyce in Nottinghamshire, derives from Geoffrey de Jorz, who
held the manor in 1235. See: A key to English Place-Names
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/english/ins ... toepn.html

Regards,

John

Thanks John,

I knew this link between Jorz and Notts
So that could be a misleading between Notts and Northumberland.
But, in Notts Place-names books, I didn't see any thing saying: "Geoff. de
Jorz known as Frenchman, 1216 - 1272".
That 's rather interesting because I have completly independant source
(French-Norman doc.) showing some de Jorz as knight essoiner, in France in
13th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essoin

Regards,

Fred.

alden@mindspring.com

Re: Jorz in Northumberland?

Legg inn av alden@mindspring.com » 17 jun 2007 13:00:15

On Jun 17, 6:42 am, "Fred" <F...@nospam.cm> wrote:
John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
1182046989.870746.82...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Jun 16, 9:12 pm, "Fred" <F...@nospam.dk> wrote:
Dear Group,
An internet site called Surname DB mentions a Geoffrey de Jorz, which
was
dated 1234, in the "Place Names Book
of Northumberland", during the reign of King Henry III, known as "The
Frenchman", 1216 - 1272.
But which places names book is it?
Or which place of Northumberland it could be?
Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
Fred.

Burton Joyce in Nottinghamshire, derives from Geoffrey de Jorz, who
held the manor in 1235. See: A key to English Place-Names
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/english/ins ... toepn.html

Regards,

John

Thanks John,
I knew this link between Jorz and Notts
So that could be a misleading between Notts and Northumberland.
But, in Notts Place-names books, I didn't see any thing saying: "Geoff. de
Jorz known as Frenchman, 1216 - 1272".
That 's rather interesting because I have completly independant source
(French-Norman doc.) showing some de Jorz as knight essoiner, in France in
13th century.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essoin

Regards,

Fred.

See this thread in SGM:

Prestwold-Segrave-Jorz connection?

Doug Smith

Fred

Re: Jorz in Northumberland?

Legg inn av Fred » 18 jun 2007 09:49:20

<alden@mindspring.com> a écrit dans le message :
1182081615.366386.20120@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 17, 6:42 am, "Fred" <F...@nospam.cm> wrote:
John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
1182046989.870746.82...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Jun 16, 9:12 pm, "Fred" <F...@nospam.dk> wrote:
Dear Group,
An internet site called Surname DB mentions a Geoffrey de Jorz, which
was
dated 1234, in the "Place Names Book
of Northumberland", during the reign of King Henry III, known as "The
Frenchman", 1216 - 1272.
But which places names book is it?
Or which place of Northumberland it could be?
Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
Fred.

See this thread in SGM:

Prestwold-Segrave-Jorz connection?

Doug Smith

I saw this thread but so far I didn't see any family link between Jorz ans
Segrave but lot of dispute between them, in particular about a papal
provision for the church of Leek in 1308 ( Register of Archb. Greefield
Surtees Soc. T152)
Segrave andJorz were coming from the same area in Leics.
Always based on the french norman doc. I have, a Robert Jorz, a french
knight esseineur, married a person, in 1210, whose the name is something
beginning with Bell and finishing with er or ver. I thought it was Beller
since the Beller coat of arm is also a crowned rampant Lion and this coat is
on the grave stone of Robert Jorz (the supposed grand son ot the couple
Jorz-Bel?er) in Burton Joice. I understood thar Beller (Belar etc...) came
from Leics (Kirky Bellar) closed to the Jorz area (East Goscote).
It could be Belver (belvoir) which is linked to the d'Albini family also a
rampant lion ( not crowned).

Regards.

Fred

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