You take this seriously? A book published in 1981 surely is no contemporary
evidence? I had a look at the URL you gave. The third part surely is about
Jacqueline of Bavaria who married Humphrey of Gloucester? She did not like
being married to the _OLD_ Duke of Brabant? Jacqueline was born in 1401 and
that OLD Duke was born in 1403, and was two years _younger_ than Jacqueline.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval,soc.history.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Another C.P. Addition: Marriage date of Gilbert Talbot and
Joanof Gloucester
Dear Newsgroup ~
In the recent discussion about the contracted marriage of Gilbert
Talbot, K.G., 5th Lord Talbot, and Joan of Gloucester (granddaughter
of King Edward III of England), I stated that it was highly likely
that their marriage which was contracted in early childhood was
probably consumated before Joan of Gloucester died in 1400 at age 15.
I had the opportunity yesterday to look at Hugh Talbot's interresting
book, English Achilles, published in 1981. The book largely concerns
the life history of Gilbert Talbot's famous younger brother, John
Talbot, K.G., 1st Earl of Shrewsbury. However, I find on page 23 that
Mr. Talbot states that Gilbert Talbot's wife, Joan of Gloucester, died
in childbirth.
For a snippet view of Mr. Talbot's statement, see the following
weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=6hIaAA ... s=1#search
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On May 17, 12:30 pm, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
I should have better labelled my previous post:
"Another C.P. Addition: Betrothal date
ofGilbertTalbotandJoanofGloucester"
The uncertainty of Complete Peerage as to whether or not the
marriage
ofGilbertandJoanwas ever consumated should not depend on the
interpretation of the record dated 1401 cited by Complete Peerage in
whichJoanwas calledGilbert's"late wife." Betrothed women in the
medieval period whose marriage was not yet consumated could be and
were addressed as the wife of their prospective groom. An instance
of
just such a case is the record which I cited in my previous post in
whichJoanis styledGilbert'swife as early as 1392. Joanwas only
seven years old in 1392.
Given thatJoanwas 15 years old at the time of her death in 1400, and
given that child marriages in this period were usually consumated
when
the bride was 13 or 14, it makes it highly likely that the marriage
ofGilbert
and Joan was consumated by the time thatJoandied in 1400.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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