*Ela Longespee (Fitzwalter) - d/o *Ida Longspee = *Sir Walt

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*Ela Longespee (Fitzwalter) - d/o *Ida Longspee = *Sir Walt

Legg inn av Maree Gordon » 26 mai 2007 00:29:39

Hello Listers
I have watched with keen interest over the listings of recent days and
perhaps this below may help to put some
claims in a different light??


*Edward de Odingselles B 1100?
(This is my 28th gt grandfather)

A son
*Sir Hugh de Odingsels B - 1125? Flemish knight
m/d
*Basilia de Lindsay - B - 1130?

A son
*Hugh d'Oddingsell - 1165? Dd - 1240?
Founded in about 1220 the parish church of St Alphege built of red
sandstone on High Street, Solihull

His son
*Wm d'Odingsells born 1220?
m/d *Joan

Their son
*Sir Wm 11 d'Oddingeseles born 1248 in Warwickshire, England - Died
1295? ( Justiciar of Ireland )
m/d *Ela Longespee (Fitzwalter / FitzRobert) - d/o *Ida Longspee = Sir
Walter Fitzrobert
(They are my 24th gt grandparents)

Their children
Ida de Oddingsells born 1295? = John de Clinton - 1st Lord Maxstoke
*Margaret Ole d'Oddingeseles born 1300? Solihull, Warwickshire, England.
m/d (1) Robert de Moreby
m/d (2) *Sir John de Grey

Their children
Joan Grey born 1310?
*Baron John 11 de Grey B 1310? (Knight of the Garter) Baron of Rotherfield
m/d
*B/ss Avice Marmion

Their children
Joane de Grey born 1340?
*Sir Robert Grey B - 1345? in Yorkshire, England
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*Ida Longspee = Sir Walter Fitzrobert
*Ida Longspee was the d/o
*Earl Wm Longspee = *C/ss Ella Fitzpatrick

*Ela Longespee (Fitzwalter) was the great great grand-daughter of *K
Henry 11 Mantel of England

Witnesses to one of these above marriages were:
Empress Matilda - Queen of England, and son Earl Eustace son of the King.
Sirs Robert son of Roger, Richard de Tani, John de Scalariis, Richard
de Rouecestre,
William de Oddingeseles, and several others.
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Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon, Matamata, New Zealand

Gjest

Re: *Ela Longespee (Fitzwalter) - d/o *Ida Longspee = *Sir W

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 mai 2007 08:14:28

On 26 Mai, 00:29, Maree Gordon <tapp...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hello Listers
I have watched with keen interest over the listings of recent days and
perhaps this below may help to put some
claims in a different light??

Thanks Maree - it would be very useful to know your sources.

*Edward de Odingselles B 1100?
(This is my 28th gt grandfather)

I have not encountered this generation before - can you provide the
source?

A son
*Sir Hugh de Odingsels B - 1125? Flemish knight
m/d
*Basilia de Lindsay - B - 1130?

I think these dates appear too early; according to the Victoria County
Histroy (VCH) of Warwickshire, sub Solihull, the division of the
Limesi property whereby Basilia brought a share to her husband Hugh de
Odingseles happened in 1213, and Hugh lived until 1239.

A son
*Hugh d'Oddingsell - 1165? Dd - 1240?
Founded in about 1220 the parish church of St Alphege built of red
sandstone on High Street, Solihull

It seems there was only one Hugh, so this second one is probably
erroneous. Hugh and Basilia had at least two sons (according to VCH
Warwickshire): Gerard, died 1266, and William the elder, whom you show
below.

There are further details in other VCH volumes (eg Maxstoke and
Pirton, Herts) but these seem less reliable.

His son
*Wm d'Odingsells born 1220?
m/d *Joan


Cheers, Michael

Gjest

Re: *Ela Longespee (Fitzwalter) - d/o *Ida Longspee = *Sir W

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 mai 2007 08:37:43

On 26 Mai, 08:14, m...@btinternet.com wrote:
On 26 Mai, 00:29, Maree Gordon <tapp...@clear.net.nz> wrote:

*Sir Hugh de Odingsels B - 1125? Flemish knight
m/d
*Basilia de Lindsay - B - 1130?

I think these dates appear too early; according to the Victoria County
Histroy (VCH) of Warwickshire, sub Solihull, the division of the
Limesi property whereby Basilia brought a share to her husband Hugh de
Odingseles happened in 1213, and Hugh lived until 1239.

Katherine Keats-Rohan in her 'Domesday Descendants', p 548, sub Gerard
de Limesi, states that Gerard, father of Basilia, died before 1185
(VCH, citing the Pipe Roll, says by 1177), and on the death of his son
John in 1193 Basilia and her sister Eleanor inherited the Limesi
estates as minors. VCH states the division of the estate between the
sisters occurred in 1213.

MA-R

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