CO Correction? Early Darcy line of Nocton, Lincs

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CO Correction? Early Darcy line of Nocton, Lincs

Legg inn av Gjest » 15 mai 2007 08:58:01

According to a post here back in 2000, Complete Peerage, Vol IV, p 50
et seq, gives the following pedigree for the early Darcy family of
Nocton:

(1) Norman Darcy, ff 1086-1115
(2) Robert Darcy, ff 1130
(3) Thomas Darcy
(4) Thomas Darcy, d 1180; married Aline
(5) Thomas Darcy, died 1206; married Joan
(6) Norman Darcy, married Agnes.

This is largely mirrored by the article in Burke's Peerage, 107th
edition, Vol I, p 1026,sub Darcy de Knayth, except that this alleges
additionally that:

(4) Thomas Darcy died 2 July 1180; married Aline (d 1183), daughter
of Ralph Deincourt

and

(5) Thomas Darcy born circa 1168, died circa 1206

Keats-Rohan (Domesday Descendants, p 286) has a slightly different
pedigree, removing one generation thus:

(1) Norman Darcy, ff 1086-c1118
(2) Robert Darcy, died between 1148 and 1160; married Alice de Calz
(3) Thomas Darcy, d 1180; married Alina or Alice (d 1183), daughter of
Ralph Deincourt I
(4) Thomas Darcy, aged 18 at his father's death, so born c1162; died
1208 (sic)

i.e. she shows two Thomas Darcys, not three. This version is
corroborated by Paul Dalton's article in the ODNB on the family, which
does not cite Keats-Rohan but possibly relies on Sanders Baronies
(which KR also cites).

Curiously, Dugdale's Baronage of 1675, p 369, also shows only two
Thomas Darcys.

I don't have CP to hand - does it show three or two Thomas Darcys, and
if the former, does it cite sources?

MA-R

Gjest

Re: CO Correction? Early Darcy line of Nocton, Lincs

Legg inn av Gjest » 15 mai 2007 09:08:51

Argh - header should read "CP correction?"...

Gjest

Re: CO Correction? Early Darcy line of Nocton, Lincs

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 mai 2007 15:03:16

On 15 Mai, 08:58, m...@btinternet.com wrote:
According to a post here back in 2000, Complete Peerage, Vol IV, p 50
et seq, gives the following pedigree for the early Darcy family of
Nocton:

(1) Norman Darcy, ff 1086-1115
(2) Robert Darcy, ff 1130
(3)Thomas Darcy
(4)Thomas Darcy, d 1180; married Aline
(5)Thomas Darcy, died 1206; married Joan
(6) Norman Darcy, married Agnes.

This is largely mirrored by the article in Burke's Peerage, 107th
edition, Vol I, p 1026,sub Darcy de Knayth, except that this alleges
additionally that:

(4)Thomas Darcydied 2 July 1180; married Aline (d 1183), daughter
of Ralph Deincourt

and

(5)Thomas Darcyborn circa 1168, died circa 1206

Keats-Rohan (Domesday Descendants, p 286) has a slightly different
pedigree, removing one generation thus:

(1) Norman Darcy, ff 1086-c1118
(2) Robert Darcy, died between 1148 and 1160; married Alice de Calz
(3)Thomas Darcy, d 1180; married Alina or Alice (d 1183), daughter of
Ralph Deincourt I
(4)Thomas Darcy, aged 18 at his father's death, so born c1162; died
1208 (sic)

i.e. she shows two Thomas Darcys, not three. This version is
corroborated by Paul Dalton's article in the ODNB on the family, which
does not cite Keats-Rohan but possibly relies on Sanders Baronies
(which KR also cites).

Curiously, Dugdale's Baronage of 1675, p 369, also shows only two
Thomas Darcys.

I don't have CP to hand - does it show three or two Thomas Darcys, and
if the former, does it cite sources?


One source for there being three Thomas Darcys is the Nocton Priory
Cartulary, as found in the 1830 edition of Dugdale's Monasticon. This
says:

Robertus de Areci dominus de Nocton fundavit prioratrum de Nocton
Parke. Post ipsum Robertum fuerunt tres domini de Nocton gradatim
descendendo, quibus erat nomen Thomas. Post tertium Thomam fuit
dominus Normannus filium ejus.

i.e.

Robert de Arcy, Lord of Nocton, founded Nocton Priory. After the said
Robert were three Lords of Nocton descended in turn, who were named
Thomas. After the third Thomas was Lord Norman, his son.

MA-R

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