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de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 02:24:01

I've been trying to track down the origins of this family, which resided
in Essex from at least the early thirteenth century. I've run across a few
references to them from earlier, but nothing that really indicates their
specific origins.

Any information would be appreciated.

- SLS


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Renia

Re: de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Renia » 08 mai 2007 08:01:00

stursa@695online.com wrote:
I've been trying to track down the origins of this family, which resided
in Essex from at least the early thirteenth century. I've run across a few
references to them from earlier, but nothing that really indicates their
specific origins.

Any information would be appreciated.

- SLS

This web site might give clues:

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p301.htm

viz:

William de Cloville1
b. circa 1355, #18206
Relationship=18th great-grandfather of Robert Brian Stewart P. E..
Appears on charts:
Pedigree for Lieutenant Colonel John Robert Stewart
William de Cloville was born circa 1355 in West Hanningfield,
Essex, England. He married an unknown person before 1388.
Children of William de Cloville
William de Cloville+ b. c 1388
Henry de Cloville b. c 1388

See also:

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/brs_volumes/vol03.htm

Buckinghamshire Record Society
Volume 3 - Early Buckinghamshire Charters

for several Cloville charters (in full in Latin).

extracts viz:

26
Grant by Richard de Cloville to Martin, son of Hugh, of two acres of
land in Hartwell which his father William de Cloville gave to Martin's
mother Agnes. Martin to pay an annual rent of sixpence at Michaelmas and
for this grant has given Richard five shillings. [Early xiijth century.]

27
Grant by Savaric de Cloville to Stephen de Cloptune of one and a half
acres of arable land in the field of Hartwell. Stephen to pay a rent of
one halfpenny at Michaelmas and for this grant has given Savaric
twenty-four shillings. [c.1270.]

28
Grant by Savaric de Cloville to his brother Robert of a messuage and
croft which William de Tyldeford once held in Hartwell and also of four
and a half acres of arable land in the fields of Hartwell. Robert to pay
an annual rent of one halfpenny at Michaelmas, and for this grant has
given Savaric forty shillings. [c.1270.]

Agreement between Savaric de Cloville and William de Hertwell by which
Savaric quitelaimed to William all rights and services in two messuages,
a half virgate of land, and two acres in Hartwell and Stone, which
Savaric has given to William. A certain portion of a garden, which the
predecessors of Savaric had appropriated from the croft of Adam the
carter, is excepted. William is to be responsible for scutage and hidage
and for castle-guard at Rochester in respect of the half virgate, and
also for the service due in respect of half a knight's fee which Savaric
holds in Hartwell and Stone of Warin de Munchensy. For the quitclaim
William gave Savaric halfa silver mark. [1242-1255.]

30
Grant by Savaric de Gloville to Geoffrey Neirnuit of Fleet Marston of
sixteen acres of arable land in the fields of Hartwell and Stone.
Geoffrey to pay a rent of one silver penny at Michaelmas and for this
grant he gave Savaric twenty silver marks. [Before 1270.]

31
Grant by Savaric de Cloville to Ralf, son of Robert son of Warin de
Hertwell, of a half virgate of land in Hartwell and half an acre of
meadow in Sidehale, both of which were once held by the said Warin of
the predecessors of Savaric. Ralf to pay an annual rent of threepence
and for this grant he gave Savaric a silver mark. [c.1270.]

32
Grant by Savaric de Cloville to John, son of Martin de Hertwell, of five
and a half acres of arable land with headlands and an acre of meadow in
the fields of Hartwell. John to pay an annual rent of eightpence and for
this grant gave Savaric a sum of money. [c.1270.]

33
Quitclaim by Isabel, widow of Savaric de Cloville, to Robert de Cloville
of all right to dower in the land which Robert holds of the fee of
Savaric de Cloville and in a rent of sixpence which Robert ought to pay
her annually in respect of dower. For this quitclaim Robert gave her six
shillings. [c.1280.]

Notes:
26-33
The de Cloville family held one-half of a knight's fee in land called
West Orchard in Hartwell and Stone under the Munchensys in the xiiith
century (Bk. Fees, ii, 875.). They seem to have divested themselves of
their interest in Hartwell and Stone during the century, as there is no
trace of the property after the reign of Henry III (V.C.H., Bucks, ii,
309.). William de Cloville, who held in 1235 and 1242-3 (Bk. Fees, i,
462, 463, ii, 875.), had three sons; Richard, who apparently died
without issue, leaving a widow Maud surviving (Cat. Charter R., iii, 424
..); Savaric, who also seems to have died without issue, leaving his
widow Isabella surviving; and Robert, who, according to no. 33,
succeeded on the death of Savaric.
No. 26 was apparently granted in the lifetime of Richard's father,
William de Cloville, for the evidence points to an early xiiith century
date.

Also:

Domesday Descendants by Keats-Rohan:

de Cloville, Radulf and William
Held half a fee of Walter de Mayenne in 1166 and William de Cloville
held three fees. In 1242/43 William de Cloville held one fee in
'Srainbrocke' under Roger de Leyburn and half a fee in Parrock, Sussex,
of Warin de Montcanisy.

Gjest

Re: de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 10:32:46

On May 8, 1:19 am, stu...@695online.com wrote:
I've been trying to track down the origins of this family, which resided
in Essex from at least the early thirteenth century. I've run across a few
references to them from earlier, but nothing that really indicates their
specific origins.

Any information would be appreciated.

- SLS

de Cloville or de Colville?

Renia

Re: de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Renia » 08 mai 2007 13:26:03

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:

On May 8, 1:19 am, stu...@695online.com wrote:

I've been trying to track down the origins of this family, which resided
in Essex from at least the early thirteenth century. I've run across a few
references to them from earlier, but nothing that really indicates their
specific origins.

Any information would be appreciated.

- SLS


de Cloville or de Colville?

It's de Cloville. See my previous post re:

Buckinghamshire Record Society
Volume 3 - Early Buckinghamshire Charters

for several Cloville charters (in full in Latin).

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/brs_volumes/vol03.htm

Gjest

Re: de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 15:17:59

On May 8, 1:26 pm, Renia <r...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:
m...@btinternet.com wrote:
On May 8, 1:19 am, stu...@695online.com wrote:

I've been trying to track down the origins of this family, which resided
in Essex from at least the early thirteenth century. I've run across a few
references to them from earlier, but nothing that really indicates their
specific origins.

Any information would be appreciated.

- SLS

de Cloville or de Colville?

It's de Cloville. See my previous post re:

Buckinghamshire Record Society
Volume 3 - Early Buckinghamshire Charters

for several Cloville charters (in full in Latin).

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/brs_volumes/vol03.htm

Cheers, Renia

I appreciate there is a de Cloville family (whose Bucks & Sussex
connections you have detailed well), but there is also a de Colville
family formerly prominent in Essex, and I wonder whether the OP meant
the former or the latter, given that he only typed the name once in
his message. I am sure the two have been confused in the past as well
- I seem to recall some muddle in the Essex Visitations.

Best wishes, Michael

Gjest

Re: de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Gjest » 09 mai 2007 02:39:02

mjcar@btinternet.com said:
de Cloville or de Colville?

de Cloville aka de Clovile aka de Clouvyle aka de Clouilla aka de Clavilla


I'll try to offer some more of the information that I *do* have tomorrow.

The reason I'm interested in this is because I've learned that the family
is in my ancestry. Researching this, I bumped into Peter Cleverly's page:

http://www.geocities.com/petercleverly/

wherein he claims that the de Clovilles are a branch of the de Colvilles.

He also states that that, at the time of Domesday, the de Colvilles held
land in Essex. My searches of Domesday archives indicate that they did
not.

He also claims descent from Hildis, Princess of the Vandals.

For a number of reasons, I don't buy into the de Colville connection, but
have not had a lot of success in determining the origin of the de
Clovilles.

The only person who seems to have ever addressed the issue is Thomas
Sinclair in "The Sinclairs of England" (1887)(BTW, I don't put a lot of
faith in works of that age). He suggests that the de Clovilles were
closely related to the Sinclairs (aka Sancto Claro). I don't know if
that's true, but they were certainly on good terms; one person who
responded to my original post included in her response the text of a
number of 13th century Buckinghamshire charters which involved the de
Clovilles. I'd bumped into these a while ago, and noticed that the full
Latin text of these invariably included a Sancto Claro in the witness
list. Apparently whenever a de Cloville needed a charter witness, a de
Sancto Claro was willing and able.

Sinclair also includes an intriguing statement:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rolls of 31 Hen I., under the headings ‘Kent, Sussex and
Boseham’. Boseham was the wouthwestern part of Sussex. Hunter’s edition of
the passage from this state record runs, ‘Hamo Dapifer owed when he died
one hundred marks silver in regard to land and the marriage of the
daughter of Robert of Cloville [Latin: Rob de Clovilla] to his nephew
Hugo.’
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know that Hamo Dapifer was a big shot (he certainly shows up often
enough in Domesday), so it may be that this marriage was significant in
the history of the family.

I've searched the web to death, and put this inquiry out because I know
many of you have access to information which is not online.

Again, thanks.

- SLS


--
Scott L. Stursa
CCNA, MCSA, Security+

Gjest

Re: de Cloville origins

Legg inn av Gjest » 09 mai 2007 02:44:01

stursa@695online.com said:
mjcar@btinternet.com said:

de Cloville or de Colville?

de Cloville aka de Clovile aka de Clouvyle aka de Clouilla aka de Clavilla

Make that last one "de Clovilla"

The de Clavilles were a whole 'nuther family.

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Scott L. Stursa
CCNA, MCSA, Security+

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