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John Brandon

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av John Brandon » 07 mai 2007 21:26:23

http://books.google.com/books?id=gYteTh ... #PPA638,M1

Interesting discussion (p. 638; if the page doesn't materialize, try
entering "Mathews" in the "search in this book" box) of Frances
(Greville) (West) (Piersey) Mathews, stating that "she had come to
Virginia in 1620 in the _Supply_ with William Tracy and his wife (a
niece of Fulke Greville) ..."

John Brandon

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av John Brandon » 07 mai 2007 21:30:16

Interesting discussion (p. 638; if the page doesn't materialize,
try
entering "Mathews" in the "search in this book" box) of Frances
(Greville) (West) (Piersey) Mathews, stating that "she had come to
Virginia in 1620 in the _Supply_ with William Tracy and his wife (a
niece of Fulke Greville) ..."

Note also p. 640, discussing her son Francis2 Mathews, "[h]e was
probably named for his mother's brother, Francis Greville."

John Brandon

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av John Brandon » 07 mai 2007 22:19:53

Note also p. 640, discussing her son Francis2 Mathews, "[h]e was
probably named for his mother's brother, Francis Greville."

Here is a contemporary Greville family with children "Francis" and
"Frances" ...

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... s/p80.html


Gjest

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 16:05:21

On May 7, 10:19 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Note also p. 640, discussing her son Francis2 Mathews, "[h]e was
probably named for his mother's brother, Francis Greville."

Here is a contemporary Greville family with children "Francis" and
"Frances" ...

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... tions/p8...

This is a good example of the impenetrable nature of these posts. It
is close to impossible to ascertain what you are trying to accomplish
- are you seeking to establish details of the family and background of
Frances Mathews nee Greville? If so, are you trying to reinvent the
wheel? The secondary or tertiary source which you are attempting to
link to [without any real narrative to put your efforts into context
to the rest of us] seems to be written by someone who knows what he/
she is talking about - e.g. that Frances had a brother Francis
Greville.

You demonstrated fairly able in your recent Medlicott thread that you
are not very good at putting genealogies together - no shame in that,
I am sure many of us here have struggled at times - but if you wish
for assistance, you will need to be clearer. What are you trying to
find out?

If you are not looking for assistance, why do you continue to post
thus stuff? If you are sending notes to yourself, why not do it by
email to yourseldf, rather than using a public forum? You are just
advertising to the American genealogy crowd (whom you say you wish to
impress) that you don't know what you are doing.

Spell out your issues, and perhaps someone here will be able to help.

MA-R

John Brandon

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av John Brandon » 08 mai 2007 16:13:29

--"You demonstrated fairly able in your recent Medlicott [sic]
thread" ...

--"why do you continue to post thus stuff?"


'Least I'm not drunk.

Go back to writing the postings of "Peter Stewart." You seem to spell
better when you're impersonating "him."

Gjest

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 16:22:09

On May 7, 10:19 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Note also p. 640, discussing her son Francis2 Mathews, "[h]e was
probably named for his mother's brother, Francis Greville."

Here is a contemporary Greville family with children "Francis" and
"Frances" ...

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... tions/p8...

This is stale research: see here:

http://genforum.com/greville/messages/9.html

Gjest

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 16:27:02

On May 7, 10:19 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Note also p. 640, discussing her son Francis2 Mathews, "[h]e was
probably named for his mother's brother, Francis Greville."

Here is a contemporary Greville family with children "Francis" and
"Frances" ...

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... tions/p8...

See the IGI: the Frances Greville in question appears to have been
baptised at Charlton Regis on 31 December 1616 [although I would
recommend checking the original registers to confirm this, especially
given the occasional transcription confusion between Francis/
Frances]. This being the case, it is extremely unlikely that she
should have married circa 1621 and have been widowed *twice* by 1627.

John Brandon

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av John Brandon » 08 mai 2007 16:29:45

This is stale research: see here:

http://genforum.com/greville/messages/9.html

So? I was merely pointing out details in a newly-available online
source on a person (Frances G.) who had interested me in the past, not
claiming any big new breakthrough.

Once again, we see that if Michael Andrews-Reading is not crystal
clear on all perspectives relating to a topic, the OP will be
portrayed as posting mere "rubbish" or half out of his mind. Get over
yourself and your petty need to have everything explained to your
satisfaction.

Gjest

Re: _Adventurers of Purse and Person_ available online

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 mai 2007 21:23:48

On 8 Mai, 16:29, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is stale research: see here:

http://genforum.com/greville/messages/9.html

So? I was merely pointing out details in a newly-available online
source on a person (Frances G.) who had interested me in the past, not
claiming any big new breakthrough.

Once again, we see that if Michael Andrews-Reading is not crystal
clear on all perspectives relating to a topic, the OP will be
portrayed as posting mere "rubbish" or half out of his mind.

Not my words at all of course, merely your interpretation, but as you
assert it is so in your case, I am prepared to accept your self-
diagnosis.

Meanwhile, over to 'gateway' genealogy for a change.

I see that Frances Greville post West/Piersey/Mathews seems to have
come over to Virginia in 1620 with Mary Tracy nee Conway, who had
Greville ancestry. Mary's mother Helen was daughter of Sir Fulke
Greville, according to the ODNB article on her husband, Sir John
Conway. However, this article errs in stating that she was daughter
of the second Sir Fulke [1536-1606] and his wife Anne [Neville],
whereas chronologically she must have been his sister, and daughter of
the first Sir Fulke [died 1560] and his wife Elizabeth Willoughby,
since her eldest son, John, was born circa 1564 (the separate article
on this son correctly states that his Greville grandfather died in
1560).

A relatively close familial link to these Grevilles must be postulated
for this Frances, and it seems that if the family of that name listed
in the Gloucestershire Visitation were related, it must have been a
very distant relationship, given there is no apparent correlation
between their seven-generation pedigree and that of Fulke Greville's
family.

I wonder what the basis is for the assertion in the 1987 work cited by
the OP that Frances Greville had a brother Francis - does anyone know?

I note that, strangely, neither Dugdale nor Burke's mentions
Nathaniel, brother of Thomas West, 3rd Lord De La Warr, although he is
mentioned in the latter's ODNB article. According to numerous
(suspicious) IGI and online references, he was born or baptised in
1592 at "Lansium, Herts" - I can find no such place in my
Hertfordshire atlas; does anyone know where is intended by this? Is a
good primary reference source for his position in the West family
known?

Finally, I see that Frances's final husband, Samuel Mathews, is said
to have married secondly to the daughter of Sir Thomas Hinton; her
Christian name is conjectured to start with an "S", owing to an item
of silverware discovered in the ruins of their house which bears this
initial along with 'S M'. I cannot locate a probate record for Sir
Thomas either in the Salisbury Courts or at the PCC (where his father
Anthony's will was proved in 1598). Does anyone have details of this
Sir Thomas's daughters (eg HoP; he was MP 1625-6 according to the s-g-
m archives) - it seems remarkable that the identities of a Jacobean
knight's children should remain unknown?

Apologies in advance if this is well-trodden ground.

MA-R

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