Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

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Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 13 mai 2007 19:39:37

La N wrote:

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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La N wrote:


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D. Spencer Hines wrote:



Twaddle.

Superior Cultures consistently win out over inferior cultures and
replace them.


No culture is inferior. Cultures are just different.


Hines is so .... Darwinian ... ;)

Please, don't insult Darwin. :-)


Do you think that Hines could be Darwin's missing link? ... ;)

Don't know about that but he probably HAS a missing link. :-)

Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 13 mai 2007 19:41:05

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

No culture is inferior. Cultures are just different.


Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat Living In Greece
-------------------------------------------------------------------

That sort of insipid, dead-wrong thinking led to our being caught asleep on
9/11 -- the Multi-Cultural, "Do Your Own Thing" Miasma.

Newcomers must be assimilated into the Mainstream Culture of a Nation.

Ethnic Foods, Dress [within reason], Languages in the Home, Religion [as
long as it does not infringe on others], Dances, et cetera are all fine and
enrich the Mainstream Culture -- while maintaining Individual Freedoms.

But There Are Limits On Behavior...

The newcomers cannot just be allowed to set up shop, with alternate laws,
languages in the workplace and behavioral patterns of their own.

The British and French have been singularly unsuccessful, for example, in
integrating Muslims into the Mainstream Culture -- and we have had similar
problems in America.


That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.


DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Twaddle.


Superior Cultures consistently win out over inferior
cultures and replace them.


Deus Vult.


Look at the History of the American West as a stellar example.


We won out over Geronimo and Cochise.


DSH


Lux et Veritas et Libertas

No culture is inferior. Cultures are just different.



La N

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av La N » 13 mai 2007 19:41:21

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La N wrote:

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La N wrote:


"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:



Twaddle.

Superior Cultures consistently win out over inferior cultures and
replace them.


No culture is inferior. Cultures are just different.


Hines is so .... Darwinian ... ;)

Please, don't insult Darwin. :-)


Do you think that Hines could be Darwin's missing link? ... ;)

Don't know about that but he probably HAS a missing link. :-)

Ewwww ... if you see it, don't pick it up! It's probably dirty and
diseased!

Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 13 mai 2007 19:42:05

La N wrote:

"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
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"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:


Do you think that Hines could be Darwin's missing link? ... ;)


On behalf of Orrorin tugenesis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Ardipithecus
anamensis, Australipithecus afarensis, Australipithecus africanus,
Australipithecus bahrelghazi, Kenyanthropus platypus, Paranthropus
africanus, Pararanthropus boisei, Australipithecus garhi, Paranthropus
aethiopicus, Paranthropus crassidens, Paranthropus robustus, Homo
hablis, Homo rudolfensis, Homo ergaster, Homo antecessor, Homo
erectus, Homo neanderthalensis and Homo heidelbergiensis may I enter a
strong protest at this insinuation - oh and Eoanthropus dawsonii says
he protests too.


Adding to my apologies to Sean this a.m., I off my heartfelt also to all the
apes in the world, and to all the homo-whatevers for comparing them with
Hines! ...%)

Oh God, don't get him back on to alpha-baboons, or whatever it was which
got him banned from other newsgroups years ago.



Eugene L Griessel


- nilita

Concerto (n): a fight between a piano and a pianist.


"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he
gave it to!" - Dorothy Parker


Eugene Griessel

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Eugene Griessel » 13 mai 2007 21:24:22

Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

Oh God, don't get him back on to alpha-baboons, or whatever it was which
got him banned from other newsgroups years ago.


I just called old Kees over - the alpha baboon of the local troop that
robs figs off the trees about these parts. After a bit of amicable
grooming and scurf-picking I sat him down with a loaf of stale bread
and read some of DSH's stuff to him. He grunted and scratched his
bum. And came to the conclusion the author would never make alpha
baboon - not even of the Kommetjie troop (the sort of low-rent, bottom
of the social scale, troop in the area).

BTW our local supermarkets all have "Save our Baboons" tins at the
checkout counters. The baboons are getting endangered as human
encroachment on their territory makes it ever more difficult for them
to scratch out an existence. They are unique in that they have been
isolated and out contact with the rest of the baboon troops for many
years, so their genetic makeup is something special.
Soe more here:
http://www.travellersworldwide.com/08b- ... ns-uct.htm

Eugene L Griessel

If God had wanted us to use the metric system, Jesus would have had 10
disciples.

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 13 mai 2007 21:57:12

That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.

Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat, Living In Greece
----------------------------

No.

Worn, Tired Clichés Won't Do.

That's why we have a War on Global Jihadist Islamofascism.

It will probably last for the rest of our lives and beyond....

Just as The Cold War was long and hard.

DSH
------------------------------------------------------------

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

No culture is inferior. Cultures are just different.


Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat Living In Greece
-------------------------------------------------------------------

That sort of insipid, dead-wrong thinking led to our being caught asleep
on 9/11 -- the Multi-Cultural, "Do Your Own Thing" Miasma.

Newcomers must be assimilated into the Mainstream Culture of a Nation.

Ethnic Foods, Dress [within reason], Languages in the Home, Religion [as
long as it does not infringe on others], Dances, et cetera are all fine
and enrich the Mainstream Culture -- while maintaining Individual
Freedoms.

But There Are Limits On Behavior...

The newcomers cannot just be allowed to set up shop, with alternate laws,
languages in the workplace and behavioral patterns of their own.

The British and French have been singularly unsuccessful, for example, in
integrating Muslims into the Mainstream Culture -- and we have had
similar problems in America.

That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:f26ph8$elq$2@mouse.otenet.gr...


D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Twaddle.

Superior Cultures consistently win out over inferior
cultures and replace them.

Deus Vult.

Look at the History of the American West as a stellar example.

We won out over Geronimo and Cochise.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

No culture is inferior. Cultures are just different.

Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 13 mai 2007 22:03:55

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.


Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat, Living In Greece
----------------------------

No.

Worn, Tired Clichés Won't Do.


It's not a cliche. It's a fundamental truth.

That's why we have a War on Global Jihadist Islamofascism.

It will probably last for the rest of our lives and beyond....


That's true, or it could last until each culture recognises the validity
of other cultures.

Just as The Cold War was long and hard.

Until Gorbachev recognised the validity of Western Culture and the West
accepted his peacemaking attempts.

La N

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av La N » 13 mai 2007 22:29:31

"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
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Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:


Oh God, don't get him back on to alpha-baboons, or whatever it was which
got him banned from other newsgroups years ago.


I just called old Kees over - the alpha baboon of the local troop that
robs figs off the trees about these parts. After a bit of amicable
grooming and scurf-picking I sat him down with a loaf of stale bread
and read some of DSH's stuff to him. He grunted and scratched his
bum. And came to the conclusion the author would never make alpha
baboon - not even of the Kommetjie troop (the sort of low-rent, bottom
of the social scale, troop in the area).

BTW our local supermarkets all have "Save our Baboons" tins at the
checkout counters. The baboons are getting endangered as human
encroachment on their territory makes it ever more difficult for them
to scratch out an existence. They are unique in that they have been
isolated and out contact with the rest of the baboon troops for many
years, so their genetic makeup is something special.
Soe more here:
http://www.travellersworldwide.com/08b- ... ns-uct.htm



That's cool, Eugene. As a nice break, I think I'd like to live in a place
where baboons came by to visit. This bear business is getting old ...
especially since they scare the cats ...%)

- nilita

allan connochie

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av allan connochie » 13 mai 2007 23:10:14

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Hmmmmm...

'Strod'nry!

Did Richard Burton speak Welsh fluently?

Dylan Thomas?

Christian Bale?

Stanley Baker?

Henry Morton Stanley?

Jonathan Price?

John Prescott?

Lawrence of Arabia?

Tom Jones?

Catherine Zeta Jones?

Anthony Hopkins?

Timothy Dalton?

Aneurin Bevan?

Shirley Bassey ?



I've absolutely no idea. Do a google on them! Mind I can well guess with
Prescott. He was born in Wales but is a raised Yorkshireman. The likes of
Ton Jones and Shirley Bassey I think came from industrial south Wales. Not
really a Welsh speaking area.


Allan

Allan

allan connochie

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av allan connochie » 13 mai 2007 23:24:16

"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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A hell of a lot more than 2% speak Urdu

According to the 2001 census there were less than 49,000 Scots who were
either ethnic Indians, Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. Even if all these people
spoke Urdu (which would be extremely unlikely) then less than 1% of Scots
speak Urdu.

Allan

Robert Peffers.

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av Robert Peffers. » 13 mai 2007 23:41:00

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Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots in
[snip] You may not be aware that the English actually hung Scots for
wearing Scottish national dress, playing Scottish pipe music or speaking
a Scots language.

See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders, Lowlands
and Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of putting down an insurgency. The
ban on kilts will have to be replaced by a ban on Arab dress but that is
not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it? Are not the English seething just now and

starting to demand home rule for England now that they have had a Scottish
cabinet running Britain for 10 years and are about to be saddled with a
Scottish PM? They also failed to get Scottish based Westminster MPs stopped
from voting on what they saw as English only matters in Westminster. We
waited a while but we got them in the end and, what is more, we had Europe
declare our languages as legitimate by law.
--

Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

TMOliver

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av TMOliver » 14 mai 2007 00:21:39

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote >
That's cool, Eugene. As a nice break, I think I'd like to live in a
place where baboons came by to visit. This bear business is getting old
... especially since they scare the cats ...%)

I suspect that Eugene's local baboons would consider your cats to be

particularly toothsome treats.

One of the horrors of many urban dwellers who move to the sprawling suburbs
of Denver (Columbine and the like) is that the draws between the
developments (and running up into many of them) provider veritable
interstate highways for coyotes to levy a ghastly toll on beloved household
pets. Old Socks slips out for a morning pee and constitutional and is ne'er
to be seen again, a hank of fur and a bit of bone down in the brush of some
dry ravine.

But then in SoCal, the lions will get your dogs if the fires don't get your
house.....

TMO

La N

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av La N » 14 mai 2007 00:31:50

"TMOliver" <tmoliverjrFIX@hot.rr.comFIX> wrote in message
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"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote

That's cool, Eugene. As a nice break, I think I'd like to live in a
place where baboons came by to visit. This bear business is getting old
... especially since they scare the cats ...%)

I suspect that Eugene's local baboons would consider your cats to be
particularly toothsome treats.


Well, if I lived in Eugene's 'hood, I'd get bigger cats - cheetahs! Eugene
even knows where I can get some of those nice kitties who would feast on the
baboons and pick their teeth with baboon bones ...:)

btw, there are some nice penguins where Eugene lives too. I don't know what
made me think of that 'ceptin' that it harkens back to the discussion of the
other night where we were contemplating words that might rhyme with
"penguin".

- nilita

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 14 mai 2007 00:47:35

Dead Wrong...

On all counts.

M. S. Gorbachev was by no means particularly important.

Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope -- a smart Pole -- were.

Read Some History...

Not _The Grauniad_ or _Time_.

Your Naiveté Is Amusing...

But Not "CUTE"...

If you were 17 it might be -- even charming...

But in a 54 year-old woman, who should know better, it's off-turning....

And Hilarious.

DSH
----------------------------

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.


Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat, Living In Greece
----------------------------

No.

Worn, Tired Clichés Won't Do.

It's not a cliche. It's a fundamental truth.

That's why we have a War on Global Jihadist Islamofascism.

It will probably last for the rest of our lives and beyond....

That's true, or it could last until each culture recognises the validity
of other cultures.

Just as The Cold War was long and hard.

Until Gorbachev recognised the validity of Western Culture and the West
accepted his peacemaking attempts.

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 14 mai 2007 00:54:11

Sounds very dicey about REAL Welsh Speakers -- under 60 years of age.

Lawrence of Arabia was supposed to be quite a cunning linguist -- but
perhaps could not even speak Welsh?

You don't know?

Appalling!

DSH

"allan connochie" <allan@noemail.co.uk> wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Hmmmmm...

'Strod'nry!

Did Richard Burton speak Welsh fluently?

Dylan Thomas?

Christian Bale?

Stanley Baker?

Henry Morton Stanley?

Jonathan Price?

John Prescott?

Lawrence of Arabia?

Tom Jones?

Catherine Zeta Jones?

Anthony Hopkins?

Timothy Dalton?

Aneurin Bevan?

Shirley Bassey ?

I've absolutely no idea. Do a google on them! Mind I can well guess with
Prescott. He was born in Wales but is a raised Yorkshireman. The likes of
Ton [sic] Jones and Shirley Bassey I think came from industrial south
Wales. Not really a Welsh speaking area.

Allan

Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 14 mai 2007 01:01:37

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Dead Wrong...

On all counts.

M. S. Gorbachev was by no means particularly important.

Oh yes he was. Far more important than Yeltsin who only served to muck
up the Russian economy.


Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope -- a smart Pole -- were.

They were all important. The combination of the lot of them brought
about the end of the cold war.

Read Some History...

I was around at the time reading newspapers, watching the news and
analytical documentaries. It was a fascinating time. It wasn't going
fast enough for Yeltsin but Gorbachev was cleverly pacing it. Had
Yeltsin not interfered, the groundwork might have been in place to
prevent the Mafia-style economy Russia now has.


Not _The Grauniad_ or _Time_.

I don't read The Guardian or Time Magazine.

Your Naiveté Is Amusing...

But Not "CUTE"...

If you were 17 it might be -- even charming...

But in a 54 year-old woman, who should know better, it's off-turning....

You're quite thick, really, aren't you?

And Hilarious.

DSH
----------------------------

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:


That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.


Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat, Living In Greece
----------------------------

No.

Worn, Tired Clichés Won't Do.

It's not a cliche. It's a fundamental truth.


That's why we have a War on Global Jihadist Islamofascism.

It will probably last for the rest of our lives and beyond....

That's true, or it could last until each culture recognises the validity
of other cultures.


Just as The Cold War was long and hard.

Until Gorbachev recognised the validity of Western Culture and the West
accepted his peacemaking attempts.



Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 14 mai 2007 01:03:37

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Sounds very dicey about REAL Welsh Speakers -- under 60 years of age.

Lawrence of Arabia was supposed to be quite a cunning linguist -- but
perhaps could not even speak Welsh?

You don't know?

Allan is a Scot. Why should he know what language a Welshman spoke?

Appalling!

You don't know either? And you're a film buff who learns everything from
films? Even more apalling.
DSH

"allan connochie" <allan@noemail.co.uk> wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Hmmmmm...

'Strod'nry!

Did Richard Burton speak Welsh fluently?

Dylan Thomas?

Christian Bale?

Stanley Baker?

Henry Morton Stanley?

Jonathan Price?

John Prescott?

Lawrence of Arabia?

Tom Jones?

Catherine Zeta Jones?

Anthony Hopkins?

Timothy Dalton?

Aneurin Bevan?

Shirley Bassey ?

I've absolutely no idea. Do a google on them! Mind I can well guess with
Prescott. He was born in Wales but is a raised Yorkshireman. The likes of
Ton [sic] Jones and Shirley Bassey I think came from industrial south
Wales. Not really a Welsh speaking area.

Allan



Andrew Swallow

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av Andrew Swallow » 14 mai 2007 01:22:37

Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:VaGdnX-Md5YYy9rbRVnyvAA@bt.com...
Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots in
[snip] You may not be aware that the English actually hung Scots for
wearing Scottish national dress, playing Scottish pipe music or speaking
a Scots language.

See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders, Lowlands
and Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of putting down an insurgency. The
ban on kilts will have to be replaced by a ban on Arab dress but that is
not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it? Are not the English seething just now and
[snip]


I disagree, we have not a Scots revolt since. They may not like the
English, they may vote against them and cheer other teams but the Scots
have stopped creating armies to go to war with the English.

Andrew Swallow

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 14 mai 2007 02:35:24

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Dead Wrong...

On all counts.

M. S. Gorbachev was by no means particularly important.

Oh yes he was. Far more important than Yeltsin who only served to muck up
the Russian economy.

Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope -- a smart Pole -- were.

They were all important. The combination of the lot of them brought about
the end of the cold war.

Read Some History...

I was around at the time reading newspapers, watching the news and
analytical documentaries. It was a fascinating time. It wasn't going fast
enough for Yeltsin but Gorbachev was cleverly pacing it. Had Yeltsin not
interfered, the groundwork might have been in place to prevent the
Mafia-style economy Russia now has.

Hilarious!

Just more Concrete Evidence of Renia's naïveté about The Cold War.

I know people at Yale who are working with Russians -- Historians, KGB,
Politburo types to find out exactly what happened. I've read some of their
articles and books.

History unravels slowly.

Just reading CONTEMPORARY newspapers, watching the news and analytical
documentaries of the time and on television doesn't mean one understands the
dynamics of what happened -- particularly when viewed through the default
European Leftist filter Renia is so fond of -- and is a prisoner of.

Not _The Grauniad_ or _Time_.

I don't read The Guardian or Time Magazine.

Makes no difference. The views of those publications have become the
conventional wisdom of the naïve, such as Renia, when it comes to
understanding The Cold War.

She need not actually have read either publication itself.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Peter Jason

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av Peter Jason » 14 mai 2007 02:41:31

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com>
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow"
am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner
that I started by using Scots in [snip]
You may not be aware that the English
actually hung Scots for wearing Scottish
national dress, playing Scottish pipe
music or speaking a Scots language.

See -
http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and
http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish
cultures of the Borders, Lowlands and
Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support
their bloody football team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of
putting down an insurgency. The ban on
kilts will have to be replaced by a ban
on Arab dress but that is not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it? Are not
the English seething just now and
[snip]

I disagree, we have not a Scots revolt
since. They may not like the English, they
may vote against them and cheer other teams
but the Scots have stopped creating armies
to go to war with the English.

Andrew Swallow



The Scots are always revolting.

(To paraphrase the quote of that famous
daughter of Maria Theresa of Austria.)

William Black

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av William Black » 14 mai 2007 02:44:49

"Robert Peffers." <peffers@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots in
[snip] You may not be aware that the English actually hung Scots for
wearing Scottish national dress, playing Scottish pipe music or speaking
a Scots language.

See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders, Lowlands
and Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of putting down an insurgency. The
ban on kilts will have to be replaced by a ban on Arab dress but that is
not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it?

The whole effort of pacifying the Highlands wasn't about political
representation for Scotland it was about pacification.

You know.

No gangs of men in kilts charging down to burn loot and pillage.

No burly red headed men taking fire and the sword to the Lowlands

No more burning crosses in the heather

Instead, within sixty years, Prinny and his gang of simpering mates were
able to dress up in kilts and ponce about the Highlands and everyone was
entranced, well, as entranced as anyone ever was with that foppish
buffoon .

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av William Black » 14 mai 2007 03:02:11

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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That's because the Muslims see their culture as superior to ours.

We may or may not agree with them, but one man's meat is another man's
poison.

Renia Simmonds -- British Ex-Pat, Living In Greece
----------------------------

No.

Worn, Tired Clichés Won't Do.

That's why we have a War on Global Jihadist Islamofascism.

It will probably last for the rest of our lives and beyond....

"I have told the British and Americans that terrorism is a cancer that may
well haunt us for the next century unless we act now"

As Saddam once said...

So you hanged him...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

allan connochie

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av allan connochie » 14 mai 2007 07:08:58

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Sounds very dicey about REAL Welsh Speakers -- under 60 years of age.

Why? The list you gave is mostly folk who are or would be over 60 were they
still alive? Besides to be more serious I've already posted official figures
which showed that Welsh was as common, or in fact more common, amongst the
younger age group than amongst most other groups.



Lawrence of Arabia was supposed to be quite a cunning linguist -- but
perhaps could not even speak Welsh?

You don't know?

Appalling!


Aye I have to admit that as much as it appears I don't in fact know
everything. One of my weaker subjects being the life of celebs. Seemingly
enough though, Richard Burton's mother tongue was Welsh. You just have to
get used to the idea that just because someone doesn't use Welsh in their
Holywood films it doesn't mean they can't speak Welsh. I'd 'guess' that
Shirly Bassey and Tom Jones don't speak Welsh. In short you are more likely
to find Welsh speaking singers at Eistedfods (spelling?) rather than touring
working men's clubs in south Wales.


Allan

Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 14 mai 2007 07:41:12

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Dead Wrong...

On all counts.

M. S. Gorbachev was by no means particularly important.

Oh yes he was. Far more important than Yeltsin who only served to muck up
the Russian economy.


Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope -- a smart Pole -- were.

They were all important. The combination of the lot of them brought about
the end of the cold war.


Read Some History...

I was around at the time reading newspapers, watching the news and
analytical documentaries. It was a fascinating time. It wasn't going fast
enough for Yeltsin but Gorbachev was cleverly pacing it. Had Yeltsin not
interfered, the groundwork might have been in place to prevent the
Mafia-style economy Russia now has.


Hilarious!

Just more Concrete Evidence of Renia's naïveté about The Cold War.

I'm not talking about the Cold War itself. I'm talking about the end of
the Cold War.

Besides, the Cold War was more about America's paranoia than about
cultural differences.

America needs an enemy to justify her need to live in an eternal war film.

She just hanged Saddam. Now she is taunting the rest of the Muslim world
and is putting the rest of the world in danger.

America's stupidity knows no equal.

TMOliver

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av TMOliver » 14 mai 2007 16:13:41

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote ...

Sounds very dicey about REAL Welsh Speakers -- under 60 years of age.

Lawrence of Arabia was supposed to be quite a cunning linguist -- but
perhaps could not even speak Welsh?

You don't know?

Appalling!


Truly appalling.

By all accounts (including his own) a little light in his loafers, it's
doubtful that Lawrence was a cunning linguist....

An irresistible throw away line, Spencer, more than could have been expected
from you as this burlesque comedy's ever present straight man.....

TMO

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 14 mai 2007 18:00:52

"allan connochie" <allan@noemail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46494c31@news.greennet.net...

Lawrence of Arabia was supposed to be quite a cunning linguist -- but
perhaps could not even speak Welsh?

You don't know?

Appalling!

You just have to get used to the idea that just because someone
doesn't use Welsh in their Hollywood films it doesn't mean they
can't speak Welsh.

I've never thought anything of the sort.

Silly-buggers accusation.

However, I gave an extensive list of Famous Welshers in various fields, not
just Hollywood actors, and you can't even tell me if THEY spoke Welsh, their
supposedly Native Tongue.

Hmmmmm...

'Strod'nry!

Did Richard Burton speak Welsh fluently?

Dylan Thomas?

Christian Bale?

Stanley Baker?

Henry Morton Stanley?

Jonathan Price?

John Prescott?

Lawrence of Arabia?

Tom Jones?

Catherine Zeta Jones?

Anthony Hopkins?

Timothy Dalton?

Aneurin Bevan?

Shirley Bassey ?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 14 mai 2007 18:13:04

Hilarious!

One could not ask for a better example of the Standard Pink-Tinged,
Old-Europe, Left-Wing America-Hating Rhetoric than Renia has provided us
with below.

Fortunately, Tony Blair did not buy into this Leftist, uneducated cant --
nor will Gordon Brown I suspect -- because those two men are FAR smarter and
better educated than is our Renia, or her millions of Fellow ignorant,
Pink-Tinged, Old-Europe, Left-Wing America-Hating comrades.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
------------------------------------

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:f290a1$9vl$1@mouse.otenet.gr...

Read Some History... [DSH]

I was around at the time reading newspapers, watching the news and
analytical documentaries. It was a fascinating time. It wasn't going fast
enough for Yeltsin but Gorbachev was cleverly pacing it. Had Yeltsin not
interfered, the groundwork might have been in place to prevent the
Mafia-style economy Russia now has.

Hilarious!

Just more Concrete Evidence of Renia's naïveté about The Cold War.

I'm not talking about the Cold War itself. I'm talking about the end of
the Cold War.

Besides, the Cold War was more about America's paranoia than about
cultural differences.

America needs an enemy to justify her need to live in an eternal war film.

She just hanged Saddam. Now she is taunting the rest of the Muslim world
and is putting the rest of the world in danger.

America's stupidity knows no equal.

William Black

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av William Black » 14 mai 2007 18:17:05

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:KP02i.191$y33.515@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!

One could not ask for a better example of the Standard Pink-Tinged,
Old-Europe, Left-Wing America-Hating Rhetoric than Renia has provided us
with below.

Fortunately, Tony Blair did not buy into this Leftist, uneducated cant --
nor will Gordon Brown I suspect -- because those two men are FAR smarter
and better educated than is our Renia, or her millions of Fellow ignorant,
Pink-Tinged, Old-Europe, Left-Wing America-Hating comrades.

You underestimate the cynicism of British politicians.

Mind you, it's not hard...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Renia

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Renia » 14 mai 2007 19:02:49

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Hilarious!

One could not ask for a better example of the Standard Pink-Tinged,
Old-Europe, Left-Wing America-Hating Rhetoric than Renia has provided us
with below.

Fortunately, Tony Blair did not buy into this Leftist, uneducated cant --

He is a Left-Wing politician and Gorden Brown is even further left.
Tony's domestic policies went out of the window because he saw a better
place for him in history on the world stage. He loves a stage. He's an
actor married to an alcoholic actor's daughter.

nor will Gordon Brown I suspect -- because those two men are FAR smarter and
better educated than is our Renia,

They are no better educated than I am.

or her millions of Fellow ignorant,
Pink-Tinged, Old-Europe, Left-Wing America-Hating comrades.

We don't hate America. We love her, just like we love our own naughty
children. Time she grew up.

allan connochie

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av allan connochie » 14 mai 2007 22:37:43

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:0C02i.190$y33.500@eagle.america.net...
"allan connochie" <allan@noemail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46494c31@news.greennet.net...
I gave an extensive list of Famous Welshers in various fields, not just
Hollywood actors, and you can't even tell me if THEY spoke Welsh, their
supposedly Native Tongue.

Hmmmmm...

Why hmmmmmm? Why should I know which Welsh people speak Welsh and which
don't? I'm not Welsh. And what does it matter anyway. We know that more
Welsh people don't speak Welsh fluently than do.

Allan

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 14 mai 2007 22:57:16

Indeed.

DSH
----------------------

"allan connochie" <allan@noemail.co.uk> wrote in message
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We know that more Welsh people don't speak Welsh fluently than do.

Allan

Robert Peffers.

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av Robert Peffers. » 14 mai 2007 23:03:02

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots in
[snip] You may not be aware that the English actually hung Scots for
wearing Scottish national dress, playing Scottish pipe music or
speaking a Scots language.

See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders, Lowlands
and Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of putting down an insurgency.
The ban on kilts will have to be replaced by a ban on Arab dress but
that is not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it? Are not the English seething just now and
[snip]

I disagree, we have not a Scots revolt since. They may not like the
English, they may vote against them and cheer other teams but the Scots
have stopped creating armies to go to war with the English.

Andrew Swallow
Yes! That's what I said. We now take over with the ballot box as witnessed

by the large percentage of Scots in the UK cabinet.
--

Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Andrew Swallow

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av Andrew Swallow » 14 mai 2007 23:33:16

Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:VaGdnX-Md5YYy9rbRVnyvAA@bt.com...
Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots in
[snip] You may not be aware that the English actually hung Scots for
wearing Scottish national dress, playing Scottish pipe music or
speaking a Scots language.

See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders, Lowlands
and Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of putting down an insurgency.
The ban on kilts will have to be replaced by a ban on Arab dress but
that is not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it? Are not the English seething just now and
[snip]

I disagree, we have not a Scots revolt since. They may not like the
English, they may vote against them and cheer other teams but the Scots
have stopped creating armies to go to war with the English.

Andrew Swallow
Yes! That's what I said. We now take over with the ballot box as witnessed
by the large percentage of Scots in the UK cabinet.

Getting the Iraqis to show their annoyance with the USA using votes
rather than bombs would count as a victory for Bush.

Andrew Swallow

Robert Peffers.

Re: Ideas for winning in Iraq was [ Queen Elizabeth II (21 A

Legg inn av Robert Peffers. » 14 mai 2007 23:48:00

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:y_Gdnc6E-8tRNtrbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
Robert Peffers. wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:VaGdnX-Md5YYy9rbRVnyvAA@bt.com...
Robert Peffers. wrote:
[snip]
language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots
in [snip] You may not be aware that the English actually hung Scots
for wearing Scottish national dress, playing Scottish pipe music or
speaking a Scots language.

See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_p ... tion2.html

Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders,
Lowlands and Highlands/Islands lives yet.
(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football
team)(G).

Thank you for a list of proven methods of putting down an insurgency.
The ban on kilts will have to be replaced by a ban on Arab dress but
that is not too hard.

Andrew Swallow
Err! It didn't work now did it? Are not the English seething just now
and
[snip]

I disagree, we have not a Scots revolt since. They may not like the
English, they may vote against them and cheer other teams but the Scots
have stopped creating armies to go to war with the English.

Andrew Swallow
Yes! That's what I said. We now take over with the ballot box as
witnessed by the large percentage of Scots in the UK cabinet.

Getting the Iraqis to show their annoyance with the USA using votes rather
than bombs would count as a victory for Bush.

Andrew Swallow
Yes but it took us exactly 300 years so Bush will have a long wait.

--

Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Les Cargill

Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )

Legg inn av Les Cargill » 15 mai 2007 00:56:11

Renia wrote:

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:f288sq$32r$1@mouse.otenet.gr...


D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Dead Wrong...

On all counts.

M. S. Gorbachev was by no means particularly important.


Oh yes he was. Far more important than Yeltsin who only served to
muck up
the Russian economy.


Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope -- a smart Pole -- were.


They were all important. The combination of the lot of them brought
about
the end of the cold war.


Read Some History...


I was around at the time reading newspapers, watching the news and
analytical documentaries. It was a fascinating time. It wasn't going
fast
enough for Yeltsin but Gorbachev was cleverly pacing it. Had Yeltsin not
interfered, the groundwork might have been in place to prevent the
Mafia-style economy Russia now has.



Hilarious!

Just more Concrete Evidence of Renia's naïveté about The Cold War.


I'm not talking about the Cold War itself. I'm talking about the end of
the Cold War.

Besides, the Cold War was more about America's paranoia than about
cultural differences.

Not completely. Denying a significant balance of
power shift post WWII seems... a lot of work for
little gain.

America needs an enemy to justify her need to live in an eternal war film.


Then why did the permanent political flacks in Washington allow
the Reagan Administration to sink them Russkies?

What you say is true in the rhetorical-polemical domain, but
it's not on-the-ground true. Reality and rhetoric only intersect
by accident.

She just hanged Saddam. Now she is taunting the rest of the Muslim world
and is putting the rest of the world in danger.

America's stupidity knows no equal.


How 'bout them Cowboys? *Burp*.

--
Les Cargill

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