Friday, 27 April, 2007
Hello All,
An interesting item provided by the Institute of Historical
Research, drawn evidently from the VCH for Cumberland, says in
part,
' The manor of Blennerhasset was given by Alan, Lord of
Allerdale, to his brother-in-law Ranulph de Lindsey, from
whom it passed by inheritance through the families of
Mulcaster, Tilliol, Moresby, and Pickering. The heiress
of the latter sold it in the reign of Henry VIII...' [1]
There exists a lineal descent from Mulcaster (a cadet of
Pennington) through and including the Pickering family, as
stated. If in fact the statement is entirely correct, there
is likely a line of descent as follows (conjectured connection
shown as ????? ):
Maldred of Cumbria = Ealdgyth of
(alleged brother of I Northumbria
Duncan, k of Scots) I (granddaughter of
I Æthelræd II of England
I
I
NN = Gospatric ~ NN
(possibly I E of Northumbria : (not married)
only wife) I d. 1075 :
______________I___ .......:................
I I : : : : :
Waldeve Etheldreda Dolfin Gospatric <siblings>
lord of = Duncan II E of Dunbar
Allerdale k of Scots
= Sigrid
__I____________________________________
I I I
Alan Gunnhild = Uhtred Uhtreda = Ranulf
lord of I of ? de Lindesay
Allerdale I Galloway ?
_______________I_______ ?
I I I I ?
Roland Eve <siblings> Anne/Anneis
lord of = Benedict de
Galloway Pennington
______I__________ ___________I_________
I I I I I
Alan <siblings> Alan David
lord of de Pennington de Mulcaster
Galloway lord of Mulcaster I
<Muncaster> I
I I
V V
a quo a quo
PENNINGTON MULCASTER
I will follow up on this post with a more detailed
pedigree of the Pennington descent; work is currently under
way concerning the Mulcaster branch.
Should anyone have further information, documentation or
comment on the conjectured Lindesay-Pennington/Mulcaster
relationship, that would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] Institute of Historical Research, 'Parishes:
Thursby - Workington', Magna Britannia: volume 4:
Cumberland (1816), pp. 159-75.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=50694
Note: this is copyright of University of London
and the History of Parliament Trust.
* John P. Ravilious
de Lindesay and Allerdale: a Pennington ascent?
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: de Lindesay and Allerdale: a Pennington ascent?
In message of 28 Apr, "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com> wrote:
<chomp>
Ormerod, and Helsby, in his "History of Cheshire", 2nd edition, vol iii,
pp 187-200 and specifically p. 188 and the table on p. 198, all on the
family of Venables of Kinderton, Cheshire, has a Roger de Venables
(d.c.1261) who m. Alice de Penington, living 1240, daughter of Alan de
Penington of Penington Hall, Lancs.
The fact that Lancs is immediately to the north of Cheshire makes one
wonder if there is any evidence to connect these two Alans de
Pennington/Penington.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
<chomp>
1.1.1 Alan de Pennington
----------------------------------------
of Muncaster, Cumberland, Pennington, Lancashire and Orton,
Westmorland
DL 25/367
Letters of ratification of the settlement of a dispute between
Furness Abbey and Alan son of Benedict, referred to the oath
of twelve knights: whether the land of Ulvedale is held by
Alan of the abbot, or by the abbot in demesne (Lancs), dated
1189x1209 [National Archives, Records of the Chancellor and
Council of the Duchy of Lancaster[7]]
had grant of Ravenglass from Richard de Luci, 1208
__________________________________
' Benedict de Pennington and Alan his son and heir occur in
the latter part of the 12th century (fn.; in 1202 Alan
son of Benedict granted 2 oxgangs of land in Pennington to
Hugh son of Edward.' [VCH Lancaster, VIII:338-342[4]]
Children: Thomas (-<1248)
Alan
Ormerod, and Helsby, in his "History of Cheshire", 2nd edition, vol iii,
pp 187-200 and specifically p. 188 and the table on p. 198, all on the
family of Venables of Kinderton, Cheshire, has a Roger de Venables
(d.c.1261) who m. Alice de Penington, living 1240, daughter of Alan de
Penington of Penington Hall, Lancs.
The fact that Lancs is immediately to the north of Cheshire makes one
wonder if there is any evidence to connect these two Alans de
Pennington/Penington.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
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John P. Ravilious
Re: de Lindesay and Allerdale: a Pennington ascent?
Dear Tim,
Thanks for your message, and the further details re: Pennington
and Venables. I am not aware of any collateral Pennington line; if
the information in Ormerod et al. is valid, it appears to be a direct
connection.
The Alan de Penington, father in law of Roger de Venables, must
have been the first mentioned (i.e., son of Benedict de Pennington,
father of Thomas), although this first Alan had a son Alan, younger
brother of Thomas de Pennington, who could possibly be father of
'your' Alice. Sir Alan de Pennington, son of Thomas, would not be a
good fit: he was born some time after 27 March 1233, as we was a minor
on succeding his father, and at the time of the following transaction
dated 27 Mar 1254:
' CCCIII. - Surrender to the Convent by Thomas de Greystock
and his wife Agnes of the right of marrying the sons and heirs
of the late Thomas de Pennington, whose widow the said Agnes
was, the right specified being hers by purchase from the
Convent.' [Furness Coucher II:487-8, no. CCCIII ]
Cheers,
John
On Apr 28, 10:09 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
Thanks for your message, and the further details re: Pennington
and Venables. I am not aware of any collateral Pennington line; if
the information in Ormerod et al. is valid, it appears to be a direct
connection.
The Alan de Penington, father in law of Roger de Venables, must
have been the first mentioned (i.e., son of Benedict de Pennington,
father of Thomas), although this first Alan had a son Alan, younger
brother of Thomas de Pennington, who could possibly be father of
'your' Alice. Sir Alan de Pennington, son of Thomas, would not be a
good fit: he was born some time after 27 March 1233, as we was a minor
on succeding his father, and at the time of the following transaction
dated 27 Mar 1254:
' CCCIII. - Surrender to the Convent by Thomas de Greystock
and his wife Agnes of the right of marrying the sons and heirs
of the late Thomas de Pennington, whose widow the said Agnes
was, the right specified being hers by purchase from the
Convent.' [Furness Coucher II:487-8, no. CCCIII ]
Cheers,
John
On Apr 28, 10:09 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
In message of 28 Apr, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
chomp
1.1.1 Alan de Pennington
----------------------------------------
of Muncaster, Cumberland, Pennington, Lancashire and Orton,
Westmorland
DL 25/367
Letters of ratification of the settlement of a dispute between
Furness Abbey and Alan son of Benedict, referred to the oath
of twelve knights: whether the land of Ulvedale is held by
Alan of the abbot, or by the abbot in demesne (Lancs), dated
1189x1209 [National Archives, Records of the Chancellor and
Council of the Duchy of Lancaster[7]]
had grant of Ravenglass from Richard de Luci, 1208
__________________________________
' Benedict de Pennington and Alan his son and heir occur in
the latter part of the 12th century (fn.; in 1202 Alan
son of Benedict granted 2 oxgangs of land in Pennington to
Hugh son of Edward.' [VCH Lancaster, VIII:338-342[4]]
Children: Thomas (-<1248)
Alan
Ormerod, and Helsby, in his "History of Cheshire", 2nd edition, vol iii,
pp 187-200 and specifically p. 188 and the table on p. 198, all on the
family of Venables of Kinderton, Cheshire, has a Roger de Venables
(d.c.1261) who m. Alice de Penington, living 1240, daughter of Alan de
Penington of Penington Hall, Lancs.
The fact that Lancs is immediately to the north of Cheshire makes one
wonder if there is any evidence to connect these two Alans de
Pennington/Penington.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
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