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Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av fountainpen » 26 apr 2007 07:58:25

Hi,
Im new to this group im looking for information on Geoffrey Duckett
Mercer Middlesex london.
I have been in touch with Guild hall Library no info on him and the
place in London that holds record on Mercers is closed until Oct 2007.
Im after any info as to whom were his parents.He wed an Ellen meredith
in 1552 and was noted for his travels in reference books ( which i
have ordered).
Im looking for Ducketts in the Shropshire area around this time to to
see if there connect, Any help appreciated as im well and truly stuck.

sue

Renia

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Renia » 26 apr 2007 08:35:21

fountainpen wrote:
Hi,
Im new to this group im looking for information on Geoffrey Duckett
Mercer Middlesex london.
I have been in touch with Guild hall Library no info on him and the
place in London that holds record on Mercers is closed until Oct 2007.
Im after any info as to whom were his parents.He wed an Ellen meredith
in 1552 and was noted for his travels in reference books ( which i
have ordered).
Im looking for Ducketts in the Shropshire area around this time to to
see if there connect, Any help appreciated as im well and truly stuck.

sue

I've seen Daggetts from Yorkshire whose name was spellt Duckett, so do
watch out for such variations.

Ian Cairns

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Ian Cairns » 26 apr 2007 11:39:29

"fountainpen" <sue.horn@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1177570705.130036.12070@n35g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Im new to this group im looking for information on Geoffrey Duckett
Mercer Middlesex london.
I have been in touch with Guild hall Library no info on him and the
place in London that holds record on Mercers is closed until Oct 2007.
Im after any info as to whom were his parents.He wed an Ellen meredith
in 1552 and was noted for his travels in reference books ( which i
have ordered).
Im looking for Ducketts in the Shropshire area around this time to to
see if there connect, Any help appreciated as im well and truly stuck.

Presumably, you've contacted or exhausted:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... /index.htm
?

Ian

fountainpen

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av fountainpen » 26 apr 2007 18:11:14

On Apr 26, 11:39 am, "Ian Cairns" <n...@cairnsfamily.org> wrote:
"

.

Presumably, you've contacted or exhausted:http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rsduckett/duket/index.htm
?

Ian

Hi yes Rons dont seem to fit into my line at all.
Ive looked for variations to
Ducate
Duckit
Duckitt
Doggat & many more

sue

Gjest

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 apr 2007 21:49:32

On 26 Apr., 07:58, fountainpen <sue.h...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi,
Im new to this group im looking for information on Geoffrey Duckett
Mercer Middlesex london.
I have been in touch with Guild hall Library no info on him and the
place in London that holds record on Mercers is closed until Oct 2007.
Im after any info as to whom were his parents.He wed an Ellen meredith
in 1552 and was noted for his travels in reference books ( which i
have ordered).
Im looking for Ducketts in the Shropshire area around this time to to
see if there connect, Any help appreciated as im well and truly stuck.

sue

Have you tried to will of Alderman Sir Lionel Duckett of London, his
contemporary? Sir Lionel was also heavily involved in overseas trade
enterprises, including the Muscovy Company with which your Geoffrey
was connected, and he was also a mercer.

His will may be obtained online from http://www.pro.gov.online; it was proved
in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 20 February 1588.

A further clue lies in the fact that Sir Lionel acquired property at
Calstone Wellington, Wiltshire, from a William Meredith and Martha his
wife in 1572 (VCH Wilts, Vol 17), which may possibly have represented
a marriage settlement in relation to Sir Lionel's nephew Stephen
Duckett and his wife Anne, as the manor was subsequently transferred
to them.

MA-R

John Watson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av John Watson » 26 apr 2007 22:49:20

On Apr 27, 1:11 am, fountainpen <sue.h...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:39 am, "Ian Cairns" <n...@cairnsfamily.org> wrote:

"

.

Presumably, you've contacted or exhausted:http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rsduckett/duket/index.htm
?

Ian

Hi yes Rons dont seem to fit into my line at all.
Ive looked for variations to
Ducate
Duckit

Hi Sue,

If you go to the online collections at Brigham Young University:

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/search.php

You can view or download a book called "Duchetiana or Historical and
Genealogical Memoirs of the Family of Duket from the Norman Conquest
to the present time" by Sir G. F. Duckett, London, 1874.

Your Ducketts should be in there somewhere.

Regards,

John


Duckitt
Doggat & many more

sue

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 26 apr 2007 22:49:48

The New ODNB alledges it has a biography of Lionel Duckett but neither
I not my library has a subscription. If someone wants to tell us what
it says that would be useful.

Otherwise, on the issue of Duckett mercers I would also point at
http://books.google.com/books?id=R08JAA ... Duckett%22

"North Country Wills: Being Abstracts of Wills Relating to the
Counties of York, Nottingham..."
which on page 290 states
27 Sep 1545 John Dokett, citizen and mercer, of London. To be buried
in the church of St Lawrens, Old Jury. Wife Thomasin, children Martha
and Stephen, brother Lionel Duckett. Gives to poor of Flyntham iiij
li., of Sybthorpe, Sereton, Kneton, and Syryston in Nottyngham xx s.
Pr. 23 Jan., 1545-6 (Alen, 2)"

A footnote states "Syerston" instead of Syryston.

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 26 apr 2007 22:58:15

Robert Meredith was a Warden of the Mercers in 1544
http://books.google.com/books?id=iqfOAh ... #PPA559,M1

Humphrey Packington, the father of that Jane who m secondly Lionel
Duckett was himself a Warden as late as 1543, and then Lionel was a
Warden in 1557 and 1566

The whole interconnected group seems to revolve around the Mercers.

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 26 apr 2007 23:05:14

The marriage of Lionel Duckett to the widow Mrs Jane (Packington)
Baskerville, widow of Humphrey Baskerville, has been located in the
extracted IGI parish registers in Batch M022751

Which states Lyonell Duckett to Jone 29 Jun 1564
St Peter Westcheap, London
The Source information states Parish Registers 1435-1836 Church of
England St Peter Westcheap's Church (London)

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 26 apr 2007 23:22:06

Well I find the following highly exciting

Lyonell Ducket
baptised 9 Sep 1565
St Thomas the Apostle, London
Father: Jeffry Ducket
Batch P001531

These appear to be extracts from a book called "The parish register of
St Thomas the Apostle, London, containing the marriages, baptisms and
burials from 1558 to 1754" by Joseph Lemuel Chester who lived
1821-1882

And I'm sure you are aware that Geoffrey and Jeffry are the same name.
So here is *your* Geoffrey I would assume, naming a child after
apparently that Lionel who must be his brother. At least it's a darn
good indication to my eye.

Will Johnson

Louise Staley

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 27 apr 2007 02:35:13

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Have you tried to will of Alderman Sir Lionel Duckett of London, his
contemporary? Sir Lionel was also heavily involved in overseas trade
enterprises, including the Muscovy Company with which your Geoffrey
was connected, and he was also a mercer.
MA-R

The will of Alderman Sir Lionel Duckett is reproduced in full on page 36

of "Duchetiana or Historical and Genealogical Memoirs of the Family of
Duket from the Norman Conquest to the present time" by Sir G. F.
Duckett, London, 1874.

In it he refers to:

"Jane my right well beloved wife"
"my only sonne Thomas Ducket"
"my nephew Stephen Duckett"
"to Lionel Duckett his [Stephen's] sonne my godson"
"to John Duckett his [Lionel the godson's] brother"
"to Allen Duckett my servant and kinsman"

Louise

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 27 apr 2007 02:47:04

It appears that Stephen Duckett married Anne Baskerfield 12 Jul 1575
Edmonton, London as show on Patron-submitted sheets to the IGI

His son Lionel (For baptism see http://www.familysearch.org - IGI - British
Isles - Batch P001381) was baptised 7 Nov 1576 at St Stephen Walbrook,
London
which is from the extracted register.

Will Johnson

Louise Staley

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 27 apr 2007 02:59:07

wjhonson wrote:
Well I find the following highly exciting

Lyonell Ducket
baptised 9 Sep 1565
St Thomas the Apostle, London
Father: Jeffry Ducket
Batch P001531

These appear to be extracts from a book called "The parish register of
St Thomas the Apostle, London, containing the marriages, baptisms and
burials from 1558 to 1754" by Joseph Lemuel Chester who lived
1821-1882

And I'm sure you are aware that Geoffrey and Jeffry are the same name.
So here is *your* Geoffrey I would assume, naming a child after
apparently that Lionel who must be his brother. At least it's a darn
good indication to my eye.

Will Johnson

Great find and I agree this looks like the Geoffrey being searched for

but I am less sure it implies Geoffrey was Lionel's brother. Lionel died
a very rich man and provided bequests for all and sundry in his will but
there is no indication that William Duckett (father of Sir Lionel and
John) had a third son named Geoffrey. John's will mentions his brother
Lionel and Lionel's will mentions John's son Stephen.

However I do think Stephen must have been connected with this family
somehow, Sir Lionel certainly knew him, see p. 231 of
Duchetiana,"Indenture made 25 April, 10 Elizabeth, betw. the mayor,
bailiffs, and coi'altie, of the city of Coventry, of the one part, and
Lionell Duckett of the citye of London alderman, Richard Hyll, and
Gefferey Duckett, cityzens and mercers of London."

Notably, the seals to that indenture are reproduced on the following
page. Lionel uses a family seal whereas Geoffrey uses the Merchants'
Mark. This doesn't suggest they were brothers. Duchetiana goes on to say
that the relationship between Lionel and Geoffrey "Has not be
ascertained. He was probably a cadet of some one branch, and settled in
London as a mercer" p.233.

Louise

Louise Staley

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 27 apr 2007 04:11:46

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
A further clue lies in the fact that Sir Lionel acquired property at
Calstone Wellington, Wiltshire, from a William Meredith and Martha his
wife in 1572 (VCH Wilts, Vol 17), which may possibly have represented
a marriage settlement in relation to Sir Lionel's nephew Stephen
Duckett and his wife Anne, as the manor was subsequently transferred
to them.

MA-R

Now this is interesting. According to Duchetiana William Meredith was

the brother of Ellen Meredith who married Geoffrey Duckett after
December 1551. Ellen was a coheiress with her sisters Mary and Elizabeth
to William Meredith.

Anne Baskerville and Stephen Duckett were not married until 12 July 1575
so it seems unlikely this was a marriage settlement. Instead, it appears
to just be an inheritance as Stephen Duckett (nephew of Sir Lionel) and
Anne Baskerville (step-daughter of Sir Lionel) ended up as Sir Lionel's
heirs when Jane Pakington (Anne's mother) left the estate she inherited
from Sir Lionel to her step-son Stephen and therefore to her daughter Anne.

However it does represent yet another link between the families.

Louise

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 27 apr 2007 04:36:44

I might be able to put a termination date on your "Aft Dec 1551"

Jeffrey Ducket at St Thomas the Apostle, London has these children
unnamed female 22 Nov 1560
Lionel 9 Sep 1565
unnamed male 14 Jan 1567
Daniel 12 Apr 1568
Arthur 6 Aug 1575
Edward 25 Mar 1578

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av wjhonson » 27 apr 2007 04:39:31

Hmmm and I just noticed and it's interesting that Elizabeth (Meredith)
Locke widow of Sir William Locke, Knt in 1549; Lord Mayor of London
Both buried at MERCERS Chapel [emphasis mine]

I suppose you're next going to tell us how this Elizabeth Meredith is
related to those other Meredith mercers.

Will Johnson

Louise Staley

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 27 apr 2007 05:54:33

wjhonson wrote:
Hmmm and I just noticed and it's interesting that Elizabeth (Meredith)
Locke widow of Sir William Locke, Knt in 1549; Lord Mayor of London
Both buried at MERCERS Chapel [emphasis mine]

I suppose you're next going to tell us how this Elizabeth Meredith is
related to those other Meredith mercers.

Will Johnson

Ok. The Meredith Line according to p 233 of Duchetiana


1. Philip Meredith = ?
2. Robert Meredith d. 1548 = Jane, daughter of Sir William Lock,
alderman & mercer
3. a. William Meredith dsp = Martha, daughter of Robert Longe d. 1551,
mercer
3. b. Mary Maredith = Richard Springham, mercer
3. c. Elizabeth Meredith = Matthew Field, mercer
3. d. Ellen Meredith (single at the funeral of her grandmother Lady Lock
in December 1551) = Geoffrey Duckett, mercer

However other sources say Robert Meredith's wife was named Elizabeth and
she subsequently married Sir William Lock which would account for her
granddaughters being mourners at the funeral of *LADY* Lock.

From Alexander B. Grosart, "Memorial-Introduction" Miscellanies of the
Fuller Worthies' Library (1870-76) 2:5-33.

Sir William Lock had 4 wives and 19 children. He was buried 27th August
1550.
1. Alice Spencer d 1522
2. Katharine Cooke d 1537
3. Elinor widow of Walter Marsh d 1546
4. Elizabeth widow of ... Hutton then Robert Meredith d 1551 buried
Mercers' Chapel

Louise

fountainpen

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av fountainpen » 27 apr 2007 08:14:57

Thanks all,
Ive aquired a few books that mention Geoffrey Duckett from Abes books
ive tried to get hold Of Duchetania previously but cant also the
biblography services at the library dont do loans but i will look at
the online version.
The Mercers comapny hold documents but are closed until oct 2007 to
look at the Archives.
Im also trying to conect a GODFREY DUCKETT into them all .I know
GODFREY is a Varient of Geoffrey/ jeffrey .He was born around 1580
lived but not born in Shrops.He can be found on IGI.
He is transcribed as "Godfodi" his son richard born Bayton Worcestor
1605 batch C039822.

Gjest

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 apr 2007 13:03:44

On Apr 27, 4:36 am, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
I might be able to put a termination date on your "Aft Dec 1551"

Jeffrey Ducket at St Thomas the Apostle, London has these children
unnamed female 22 Nov 1560
Lionel 9 Sep 1565
unnamed male 14 Jan 1567
Daniel 12 Apr 1568
Arthur 6 Aug 1575
Edward 25 Mar 1578

I assume these are extracted references from the IGI. It would appear
that Lional (1565), the unnamed male (1567), Daniel (1568) and Arthur
(1575) may all have died young without issue, as indicated by the
following Chancery reference from PROCAT (NB it does not state
explicitly that Edward was Geoffrey's heir):

C 2/Eliz/D10/50

Edward Duckett, a minor, son of Geoffrey Duckett, citizen and mercer
of London, deceased v Matthias Springham, kinsman of plaintiff.
Nondelivery to agent of plaintiff, for cancellation, of a bond under
statute staple procedure. London, Middlesex. Bill, answer. (1597)

MA-R

Gjest

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 apr 2007 13:38:00

On Apr 26, 11:49 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
The New ODNB alledges it has a biography of Lionel Duckett but neither
I not my library has a subscription. If someone wants to tell us what
it says that would be useful.

Otherwise, on the issue of Duckett mercers I would also point athttp://books.google.com/books?id=R08J ... Lionel+D...

"North Country Wills: Being Abstracts of Wills Relating to the
Counties of York, Nottingham..."
which on page 290 states
27 Sep 1545 John Dokett, citizen and mercer, of London. To be buried
in the church of St Lawrens, Old Jury. Wife Thomasin, children Martha
and Stephen, brother Lionel Duckett. Gives to poor of Flyntham iiij
li., of Sybthorpe, Sereton, Kneton, and Syryston in Nottyngham xx s.
Pr. 23 Jan., 1545-6 (Alen, 2)"

A footnote states "Syerston" instead of Syryston.

Will Johnson


The guts of the Oxford DNB biography, stripped of his public and
business details:

Sir Lionel Duckett, son of William Duckett of Flintham,
Nottinghamshire, and his wife, Jane Redman, of Harwood Castle,
Yorkshire.
Married (1) Mary, daughter of Hugh Leighton, of Leighton, Shropshire,
by whom he had one son, George, who died young.
Married (2) Jane, daughter of Humphrey Packington, widow of Humphrey
Baskerfeld/Baskerville of London, who had four daughters from her
first marriage and by whom he had a son, Thomas.

He was granted the freedom of the Mercers' Company in 1537 after his
apprenticeship to John Colet in London. He was master of the Mercers'
Company in 1567, 1572, 1578, and 1584.

He acquired former monastic and chantry lands in Surrey,
Staffordshire, and Derbyshire in 1553, additional lands in Somerset
and Devon 1556 and 1557, and at his death also owned property in
Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Berkshire, and Kent.

He died in London in August 1587 . The bulk of his personal estate was
left to his wife and only son, Thomas, whose share was reduced because
of his marriage to Margaret Nelson without his father's approval.

David

fountainpen

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av fountainpen » 27 apr 2007 14:26:07

On Apr 27, 1:38 pm, david11000ca...@yahoo.fr wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:49 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:





The New ODNB alledges it has a biography of Lionel Duckett but neither
I not my library has a subscription. If someone wants to tell us what
it says that would be useful.

Otherwise, on the issue of Duckett mercers I would also point athttp://books.google.com/books?id=R08J ... Lionel+D...

"North Country Wills: Being Abstracts of Wills Relating to the
Counties of York, Nottingham..."
which on page 290 states
27 Sep 1545 John Dokett, citizen and mercer, of London. To be buried
in the church of St Lawrens, Old Jury. Wife Thomasin, children Martha
and Stephen, brother Lionel Duckett. Gives to poor of Flyntham iiij
li., of Sybthorpe, Sereton, Kneton, and Syryston in Nottyngham xx s.
Pr. 23 Jan., 1545-6 (Alen, 2)"

A footnote states "Syerston" instead of Syryston.

Will Johnson

The guts of the Oxford DNB biography, stripped of his public and
business details:

Sir Lionel Duckett, son of William Duckett of Flintham,
Nottinghamshire, and his wife, Jane Redman, of Harwood Castle,
Yorkshire.
Married (1) Mary, daughter of Hugh Leighton, of Leighton, Shropshire,
by whom he had one son, George, who died young.
Married (2) Jane, daughter of Humphrey Packington, widow of Humphrey
Baskerfeld/Baskerville of London, who had four daughters from her
first marriage and by whom he had a son, Thomas.

He was granted the freedom of the Mercers' Company in 1537 after his
apprenticeship to John Colet in London. He was master of the Mercers'
Company in 1567, 1572, 1578, and 1584.

He acquired former monastic and chantry lands in Surrey,
Staffordshire, and Derbyshire in 1553, additional lands in Somerset
and Devon 1556 and 1557, and at his death also owned property in
Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Berkshire, and Kent.

He died in London in August 1587 . The bulk of his personal estate was
left to his wife and only son, Thomas, whose share was reduced because
of his marriage to Margaret Nelson without his father's approval.

David- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Does a GODFREY ever appear in any of these lines born around 1580?

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 27 apr 2007 14:37:56

In message of 27 Apr, david11000carca@yahoo.fr wrote:

<snip re Ducketts>
He died in London in August 1587 . The bulk of his personal estate was
left to his wife and only son, Thomas, whose share was reduced because
of his marriage to Margaret Nelson without his father's approval.

Does this imply that the only son got all the real estate? So that he
would not have lost out by much.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

John Townsend

Re: Ducketts/ Geoffrey Duckett Middle sex London

Legg inn av John Townsend » 03 mai 2007 21:25:29

Consider taking a peep at Sir G.F. Duckett's 1869 work, DUCHETIANA, OR
HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL MEMOIRS OF THE FAMILY OF DUKET, "From the
Conquest to the present time, in the Counties of Lincoln, Westmoreland,
Wilts., Cambridge, and Buckingham, comprising the Houses of Grayrigg,
Hartham, Steeple-Morden, Aylesbury, and Wycombe, with the several ancient
families from whom they descend"; including genealogical trees and armorial
illus; index of persons, places, etc.; corrigenda; [4+]116pp; 4to ...

Regards,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

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