Richard Aske (1587-1656), junior counsel at the trial of Charles I in
1648, resided in London for years, but came from a long line of
Yorkshire gentry. He was admitted to the Inner Temple in 1606, and
became a staunch Puritan. He was appointed attorney of the King's
Bench by Parliament in 1644, and topped his career with the office of
Justice of the Upper Bench in 1649, which he served until his death.
His wife was a Yorkshire lady - Joan (d. 1666), widow of Thomas Lister
of Arnoldsbiggin, and daughter of Thomas Heber of Marton, Yorks.
Since the Askes of Aughton are the first Yorkshire family I've posted
on that married into the bloodline of Edward III in the 15th century,
I want to present them in more detail. The Askes originated in
Richmondshire as early as the 12th century. In the mid-14th century,
Richard Aske (d. 1369), a younger brother of that line, served in the
French wars of Edward III, became a king's yeoman and seneschal of
Howdenshire (a wapentake in the East Riding) and acquired various
lands there, chiefly the manor of Owsthorpe (3.5 miles ENE. of Howden,
in the parish of Eastrington). He was childless, so his younger
brother John Aske (d. 1395) succeeded to his office of seneschal of
Howdenshire and to Owsthorpe and the rest. One Sir John Shelvestrode
of Shelvestrode and other manors in Sussex, owed a substantial amount
of money (around 2,000 marks) to Richard Aske. Perhaps in lieu of
payment, Shelvestrode gave one of his daughters and co-heirs in
marriage to John Aske, which is how the family acquired Shelvestrode
and three other Sussex manors. Of their children, son and heir John
Aske of Owsthorpe (died 2 June 1429) married Elizabeth, a daughter of
Chief Justice William Gascoigne, and daughter Alice married German Hay
of Aughton, a manor 8 miles NNW. of Howden. The Hays were childless
and their heir was Alice's nephew Richard Aske of Owsthorpe (c.
1419-1460), son and heir of John Aske and Elizabeth Gascoigne.
Richard was married to Margaret (d. 1466), daughter of Sir Robert
Ughtred of Kexby (in the East Riding) in 1432 when he was only age 13,
so its possible his wardship and marriage had been obtained by
Ughtred, one of the most influential East Riding knights from 1430
to1460. Though Owsthorpe and the other Aske lands in Howdenshire were
held of the bishop of Durham, Richard's recently inherited manors of
Aughton and Everthorpe were held of the lordship of Mulgrave, which up
until 1415, had been the Lords de Mauley. When Piers de Mauley VIII,
5th Lord Mauley died childless, the Mulgrave lordship was given to his
sister Constance (d. 1450), wife of Sir John Bigod of Settrington.
Sir Robert Ughtred was kin to the Bigods thru his grandmother
Constance Sutton, widow of Piers de Mauley VI, 4th Lord Mauley, and he
undoubtedly helped arrange the marriage of his grandson John Aske to
Elizabeth, the eldest daughter of Sir Ralph Bigod, overlord of the
Aughton manor.
That Richard Aske of Aughton and Owsthorpe was able to marry his son
and heir to the bloodline of Edward III was due in no small part to
the influence his father-in-law wielded in East Yorkshire. The
marriage was arranged by 1452, and the feoffees he entrusted to
oversee the properties involved in the marriage settlement show the
increased status the Ughtred union had brought to the Askes. In
addition to father-in-law Sir Robert Ughtred, they included other
family such as cousin Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe and his
father-in-law John Nevill of Oversley (who in turn was a first cousin
to bride Elizabeth Bigod's mother), and such notables as John Kempe,
Archbishop of York and Richard Nevill, Earl of Salisbury (great-uncle
to the bride). Richard Aske's death in 1460, and the death of Sir
Ralph Bigod at the battle of Towton in 1461 delayed the marriage of
the young couple which took place in the summer of 1462, and in
September the surviving feoffees released the marriage settlement
properties.
Sir John Aske of Aughton (1443-1497) was a minor at his father's death
and his custody was granted to his mother. He came of age in 1464,
but little is known of his career other than his being knighted in
1481 during the Scottish campaign of Richard of Gloucester (later
Richard III), and being made a banneret the following year. By the c.
1480 Visitation pedigree of the family, he and his wife Elizabeth
Bigod had a total of 8 sons (Robert, Richard, John, William, Ralph,
George, Henry, Nicholas) and 3 daughters (Anne, Catherine, Margaret),
only 2 of whom (eldest daughter Anne and 7th son Henry) had died
young. Determining the fates of the younger sons of Sir John and
Elizabeth is difficult. When Sir John made his will in April 1497, he
left bequests only to sons Robert, John and William, though at least
one other son (the 6th one, George) was still alive at that point
(being mentioned in the 1507 will of his sister Katherine, Dame
Hastings). The younger sons of Sir John don't appear in family
Visitation pedigrees again until over 100 years later, when they are
listed in the 1585 & 1612 pedigrees, where only George Aske is shown
to have had issue. As John Aske, son of George, is mentioned in the
1529 will of George's elder brother Robert, his issue at least is
confirmed in a contemporary source, though no hint is given of his
wife's identity. So the question of whether or not issue of the
younger sons of Sir John Aske and Elizabeth Bigod survived, and for
how many generations, is open - yet the fact that no issue turns up in
subsequent Visitations would indicate the possibility is unlikely.
The daughters are less difficult - Katherine married (as his 2nd
wife), Sir John Hastings of Fenwick, and Margaret was unmarried in her
father's will, but said in the 1585 Visitation to have been the wife
of ------- Morley. Further identification of her husband is
unsuccessful. Elizabeth Bigod survived her husband, and appears to be
the defendant in the following Chancery suit.
C1/339/18 Thomas Marler v. Elizabeth Aske, widow: Detention of deeds
relating to messuages and land in Lathom.: York. 1504-1515
Her exact date of death is not known, but it was prior to 1529.
The marriage of Sir Robert Aske (born by 1465, knighted 1497, died 21
February 1531) to Elizabeth Clifford is more curious, as well as more
difficult to pin down. She was a few years older than him, as the
latest she could have been born is 1461, but they were not married in
the c.1480 Visitation pedigree of the family. Her father's death at
Towton and his subsequent attainder no doubt hurt her marriage
prospects, though her mother Margaret Bromflete was able to inherit
the Vescy estates in 1469. Elizabeth Clifford would have grown up on
her mother's chief estate of Londesborough, which was in the same
wapentake as Aughton, and her marriage to the Aske heir may have been
instigated by the young couple as much as by her mother or his
parents. It's curious that the marriage of Elizabeth's younger half-
sister Anne Threlkeld was arranged in 1468 to take place in 1471, long
before Elizabeth was married. The Clifford attainder may have made it
difficult for Lady Margaret to arrange a marriage, or she may have had
other reasons to delay doing so. At any rate, it must have been
shortly after the c.1480 Visitation pedigree, probably around 1481 or
1482 when Sir John Aske of Aughton was knighted and made a banneret,
that his son and heir was married to Elizabeth Clifford, though it is
possible that their marriage didn't occur until after her brother
Henry's restoration to the Clifford title and estates in late 1485.
Children followed immediately, though exactly how many is uncertain.
The 1530 Visitation pedigree of the family lists 3 sons (John,
Christopher, Robert) and 4 daughters (Margaret, Anne, Agnes, Dorothy),
repeated in the 1567 Visitation pedigree. We don't get husbands for
the daughters until the 1585 Visitation pedigree, where Margaret is
married to Sir Roger Bellingham, Anne to William Monkton, Agnes to
William Ellerker, and Dorothy to Richard Greene of Newby, all of which
are confirmed by contemporary sources. The 1585 pedigree assigns 3
additional daughters (Elizabeth, wife of ---Middleton, or Morton,
Mary, Eleanor) but these are not confirmed by contemporary sources.
All of the pedigrees leave out daughter Julian Aske, married by
January 1510 (as his 1st wife) to Thomas Portington of Portington,
Yorks., and of Sawcliffe, Lincs. (d. 1540). She is often incorrectly
identified as daughter of Sir John Aske and Eleanor Ryther, but her
identity as daughter of Sir Robert Aske is proven in the 1543 will of
Sir John Aske, in which his daughter Julian is not yet married, and
his "nephey" Henry Portington is named as executor. It's confirmed by
the 1612 Visitation pedigree of Portington, which names her as
daughter of Sir Robert Aske. The fact that Julian was left out of the
1530 Visitation pedigree of Aske, whose informant was her own brother
John, is curious. It could indicate she had died sometime prior to
it, or, less likely, that she was an illegitimate daughter of Sir
Robert. The younger sons of Sir Robert Aske and Elizabeth Clifford,
Robert and Christopher, are well-known as key players in the
Pilgrimage of Grace. Neither one left issue. Elizabeth Clifford was
dead by 1529, but her exact date of death is not known.
John Aske of Aughton (d. 1544) suffered from poor health and was never
knighted. His marriage to Eleanor Ryther originally was merely
advantageous from a social standpoint, as her father Sir Ralph Ryther
was an influential man in county administration and was closely
connected with the earls of Northumberland. The dates of their
marriage and of her death are not known. They were married by 1520,
and she predeceased John. John Aske did well from the Dissolution,
trading the family's Sussex estates to the crown for the former priory
of Ellerton (in the same wapentake as Aughton), the manor of Deighton,
and other Yorkshire holdings, in 1542. He and Eleanor had 5 sons
(Robert, Christopher, Anthony, John, Richard) and 3 daughters (Anne,
Elizabeth, Julian). Of the younger children, Anthony Aske d.s.p. May
1546, Richard Aske was given Owsthorpe as his seat, married 1567
Elizabeth Hall (who predeceased him), and was buried 31 March 1590
(will dated 10 Jan. 1590, pr. 12 Oct. 1590), leaving 3 sons and 2
daughters, and Julian Aske married (as his 3rd wife) John Vavasour of
Spaldington.
The eldest son Robert Aske studied law in London, but predeceased his
father John. His will was dated 20 September, and proved 2 October
1542. By his first wife, Eleanor Markenfield, he had two sons (John
died young, Robert), and by his second wife Anne Sutton, he had 2 more
sons (Christopher, William) and 3 daughters (Mary died young,
Elizabeth, Dorothy). Christopher's fate is unknown, William went on
to marry and have several children, Elizabeth married (by 1567)
Gabriel Fairfax, and Dorothy married (by 1567) Henry Fairfax.
Robert Aske, son of Robert Aske and Eleanor Markenfield, was a co-heir
of his great-uncle Henry Ryther of Ryther, and inherited the manors of
Ryther, Ossendike and Stockbridge, plus various other holdings, in
1544. He also had two wives: by his first, Elizabeth Dawnay, he had
John, Mary, Jane, Elizabeth and Eleanor, all by 1567. By his second
wife Ellen Meering, he had one further son, Francis Aske of Owsthorpe
(baptized at Ryther 26 Dec.1585, married Anne Holbeach, buried at
Eastrington 2 Jan. 1641, s.p.), and several more daughters. Robert
Aske of Aughton and Ryther died 31 August 1590. His widow Ellen
married 2ndly in 1593, George Constable of Everingham.
John Aske (1565-1605), son and heir of Robert by Elizabeth Dawnay, ran
up enormous debts and was forced to sell off all of the manors and
estates that the Askes had accumulated since 1369, so that by his
death the only Yorkshire property he had left was a lease of Bubwith
Ferry. But from John's son Richard, the London judge (whose four
descents from Edward III thru Joan Beaufort are given below), and
other offshoots of the Askes of Aughton, male line descendants of Sir
John Aske and Elizabeth Bigod continue today.
Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440) had a son (D1)
and 3 daughters (A1, B1 & C1)
A1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had
A2) Anne Greystoke (d. 1477) m. 1433 Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
(1410-1461), and had
A3) Elizabeth Bigod (c.1445-15--) m. 1462 Sir John Aske of Aughton,
Yorks. (1443-1497), and had
A4) Sir Robert Aske of Aughton (by 1465-1531) m. c.1482 Elizabeth
Clifford (descended from Edward III but not thru Joan Beaufort), and
had
A5) John Aske of Aughton (d. 1544) m. Eleanor Ryther, and had
A6) Robert Aske of Aughton (d. 1542) m. 1) Eleanor Markenfield (see B6
below), and had
A7) Robert Aske of Aughton (d. 1590) m. 1) Elizabeth Dawnay (see D5
below), and had
A8) John Aske of Aughton (1565-1605) m. 1582 Christian Fairfax (liv.
1612), and had
A9) Richard Aske of London (1587-1656), Justice of the Upper Bench
1659
B1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
B2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
B3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
B4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see C3
below), and had
B5) Dorothy Gascoigne (c.1485-c.1520) m. c.1500 Sir Ninian Markenfield
of Markenfield Hall (d. 1528), and had
B6) Eleanor Markenfield (c.1510/15-by 1535) m. Robert Aske of Aughton
(see A6 above)
C1) Eleanor Nevill, Countess of Northumberland (d. 1473), who had
C2) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461), who had
C3) Margaret Percy m. Sir William Gascoigne (see B4 above)
D1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
D2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469) m. Joan Bourchier (d. 1470, descended
from Edward III but not thru Joan Beaufort), and had
D3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
D4) Dorothy Nevill (1496-1532) m. 1514 Sir John Dawnay of Sessay (d.
1553), and had
D5) Elizabeth Dawnay m. Robert Aske of Aughton (see B7 above)
Cheers, -------Brad
Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Co
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicid
In message of 25 Apr, Brad Verity <royaldescent@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
The only reference I can find to the Greystoke-Aske connection is in the
Visitations of the North, pub Surtees Soc 1930, Greystoke pedigree part
iii, p. 139. This gives an additional generation:
Anne Greystoke = Ralph Bigod
|
Ralph Bigod = (Margaret) a dau of Robert Constable
and this couple everywhere says led to:
|
Elizabeth Bigod = John Aske.
Who has any evidence for which version?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
<snip>
Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440) had a son (D1)
and 3 daughters (A1, B1 & C1)
A1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had
A2) Anne Greystoke (d. 1477) m. 1433 Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
(1410-1461), and had
A3) Elizabeth Bigod (c.1445-15--) m. 1462 Sir John Aske of Aughton,
Yorks. (1443-1497),
The only reference I can find to the Greystoke-Aske connection is in the
Visitations of the North, pub Surtees Soc 1930, Greystoke pedigree part
iii, p. 139. This gives an additional generation:
Anne Greystoke = Ralph Bigod
|
Ralph Bigod = (Margaret) a dau of Robert Constable
and this couple everywhere says led to:
|
Elizabeth Bigod = John Aske.
Who has any evidence for which version?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
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John Higgins
Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicid
Some questions on the connection of Aske and Ughtred at the bottom....
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but not through the gateway to SGM]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity" <royaldescent@hotmail.com>
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel
[snip]
[snip]
There seems to be some uncertainty about the connection[s?] between the Aske
and Ughtred families. Two visitation pedigrees of the Aske family - 1563/4
(HSP v. 16) and 1585/1612 (Foster ed.) - indicate that Richard Aske, the son
of John Aske and Elizabeth Gascoigne, mar. Margaret, "daughter" of Sir
Robert Ughtred, but they also indicate that Richard had a sister Joan who
mar. Sir Robert Ughtred. CP 12.2 162-3 sub Ughtred has a footnote saying
that Sir Robert Ughtred (d. 1472) had a sister (not daughter) Margaret who
mar. Richard Aske, and the same footnote says that "the statement that
Margaret was Robert's child by Margaret, dau. and coheir of Sir John Godard,
is incorrect", citing references to Test. Ebor. The reference to Margaret
as a sister of Robert is cited as coming from an Ughtred pedigree in
"Yorkshire Pedigrees" by John William Walker (HSP vol. 96), which CP cites
earlier in the Ughtred article with a note that it does contain errors - but
CP appears to accept this connection. OTOH, the body of the CP bio of Sir
Robert (d. 1472) does not give his wife Joan a surname but indicates that
the Ughtred pedigree in HSP 96 and the Aske pedigree in HSP 16 say that she
was Joan the sister of Richard Aske. Finally, the CP bio of Sir Robert has
a footnote indicating that the HSP 96 pedigree is wrong in saying that
Robert's son (also Robert) had a daughter Margaret.
IF CP is right (and also the HSP 96 pedigree which I haven't seen), this
would indicate that a brother/sister pair from the Aske family (Richard and
Joan) married a brother/sister pair from the Ughtred family (Margaret and
Sir Robert), and thus the visitation pedigrees were wrong in calling
Margaret a dau. of Sir Robert Ughtred. Pairs of sibling marriages were
certainly not uncommon, so this would not be implausible. Without asserting
that this is correct, what is the evidence (aside from the visitation
pedigrees) that Margaret was the daughter rather than the sister of Sir
Robert Ughtred?
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but not through the gateway to SGM]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity" <royaldescent@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel
[snip]
Of their children, son and heir John
Aske of Owsthorpe (died 2 June 1429) married Elizabeth, a daughter of
Chief Justice William Gascoigne, and daughter Alice married German Hay
of Aughton, a manor 8 miles NNW. of Howden. The Hays were childless
and their heir was Alice's nephew Richard Aske of Owsthorpe (c.
1419-1460), son and heir of John Aske and Elizabeth Gascoigne.
Richard was married to Margaret (d. 1466), daughter of Sir Robert
Ughtred of Kexby (in the East Riding) in 1432 when he was only age 13,
so its possible his wardship and marriage had been obtained by
Ughtred, one of the most influential East Riding knights from 1430
to1460. Though Owsthorpe and the other Aske lands in Howdenshire were
held of the bishop of Durham, Richard's recently inherited manors of
Aughton and Everthorpe were held of the lordship of Mulgrave, which up
until 1415, had been the Lords de Mauley. When Piers de Mauley VIII,
5th Lord Mauley died childless, the Mulgrave lordship was given to his
sister Constance (d. 1450), wife of Sir John Bigod of Settrington.
Sir Robert Ughtred was kin to the Bigods thru his grandmother
Constance Sutton, widow of Piers de Mauley VI, 4th Lord Mauley, and he
undoubtedly helped arrange the marriage of his grandson John Aske to
Elizabeth, the eldest daughter of Sir Ralph Bigod, overlord of the
Aughton manor.
That Richard Aske of Aughton and Owsthorpe was able to marry his son
and heir to the bloodline of Edward III was due in no small part to
the influence his father-in-law wielded in East Yorkshire. The
marriage was arranged by 1452, and the feoffees he entrusted to
oversee the properties involved in the marriage settlement show the
increased status the Ughtred union had brought to the Askes. In
addition to father-in-law Sir Robert Ughtred, they included other
family such as cousin Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe and his
father-in-law John Nevill of Oversley (who in turn was a first cousin
to bride Elizabeth Bigod's mother), and such notables as John Kempe,
Archbishop of York and Richard Nevill, Earl of Salisbury (great-uncle
to the bride). Richard Aske's death in 1460, and the death of Sir
Ralph Bigod at the battle of Towton in 1461 delayed the marriage of
the young couple which took place in the summer of 1462, and in
September the surviving feoffees released the marriage settlement
properties.
[snip]
There seems to be some uncertainty about the connection[s?] between the Aske
and Ughtred families. Two visitation pedigrees of the Aske family - 1563/4
(HSP v. 16) and 1585/1612 (Foster ed.) - indicate that Richard Aske, the son
of John Aske and Elizabeth Gascoigne, mar. Margaret, "daughter" of Sir
Robert Ughtred, but they also indicate that Richard had a sister Joan who
mar. Sir Robert Ughtred. CP 12.2 162-3 sub Ughtred has a footnote saying
that Sir Robert Ughtred (d. 1472) had a sister (not daughter) Margaret who
mar. Richard Aske, and the same footnote says that "the statement that
Margaret was Robert's child by Margaret, dau. and coheir of Sir John Godard,
is incorrect", citing references to Test. Ebor. The reference to Margaret
as a sister of Robert is cited as coming from an Ughtred pedigree in
"Yorkshire Pedigrees" by John William Walker (HSP vol. 96), which CP cites
earlier in the Ughtred article with a note that it does contain errors - but
CP appears to accept this connection. OTOH, the body of the CP bio of Sir
Robert (d. 1472) does not give his wife Joan a surname but indicates that
the Ughtred pedigree in HSP 96 and the Aske pedigree in HSP 16 say that she
was Joan the sister of Richard Aske. Finally, the CP bio of Sir Robert has
a footnote indicating that the HSP 96 pedigree is wrong in saying that
Robert's son (also Robert) had a daughter Margaret.
IF CP is right (and also the HSP 96 pedigree which I haven't seen), this
would indicate that a brother/sister pair from the Aske family (Richard and
Joan) married a brother/sister pair from the Ughtred family (Margaret and
Sir Robert), and thus the visitation pedigrees were wrong in calling
Margaret a dau. of Sir Robert Ughtred. Pairs of sibling marriages were
certainly not uncommon, so this would not be implausible. Without asserting
that this is correct, what is the evidence (aside from the visitation
pedigrees) that Margaret was the daughter rather than the sister of Sir
Robert Ughtred?
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John Watson
Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicid
Hi Brad,
One small question. How exactly did the Askes gain the manor of
Aughton?
Alice Aske married German Hay who held the manor and presumably they
had no children. After his death she married Thomas Myton. After his
death the Hay's tried to regain the manor, apparently unsuccessfully.
ca. 1415?: Nature of request: Roger Hay states that he was seised of
the manors of Aughton and Everthorpe in Yorkshire in his demesne as in
fee, until Alice, widow of Thomas Myton, disseised him through the
maintenance of her brother, John Ask. He asks the King to order Alice
to come before him to be examined on this, and that he might be
restored to possession of his manors. [PRO: SC 8/191/9519]
Will of Lady Aleisa Myton, dated 16 Apr 1440, at Aughton, proved 22
July 1440. Executor Richard Aske. [Testamenta Eboracensia Part III,
Surtees Society, Vol 30, Durham, 1855, p 76]
What exactly does maintenance mean in this context?
Regards,
John
One small question. How exactly did the Askes gain the manor of
Aughton?
Alice Aske married German Hay who held the manor and presumably they
had no children. After his death she married Thomas Myton. After his
death the Hay's tried to regain the manor, apparently unsuccessfully.
ca. 1415?: Nature of request: Roger Hay states that he was seised of
the manors of Aughton and Everthorpe in Yorkshire in his demesne as in
fee, until Alice, widow of Thomas Myton, disseised him through the
maintenance of her brother, John Ask. He asks the King to order Alice
to come before him to be examined on this, and that he might be
restored to possession of his manors. [PRO: SC 8/191/9519]
Will of Lady Aleisa Myton, dated 16 Apr 1440, at Aughton, proved 22
July 1440. Executor Richard Aske. [Testamenta Eboracensia Part III,
Surtees Society, Vol 30, Durham, 1855, p 76]
What exactly does maintenance mean in this context?
Regards,
John
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Brad Verity
Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicid
On Apr 26, 3:42 pm, "John Higgins" <jthigg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John, sorry I can't be of much assistance on this question. The only
primary evidence I have on Richard Aske of Aughton and Owsthorpe and
Margaret Ughtred is the following, from 'Yorkshire Deeds' in 'Yorks.
Arch. Journal' Vol. 17 (1903), pp. 108-109:
"October 10, 11 Hen. VI (1432). Grant in tail by Robert Conestable,
esq., Master Richard Moresby, clerk, Alesia de Miton, Robert
Rudestane, Thomas Wilton, Robert Barde, William Baillie, and William
Barete, to Richard de Aske, son and heir of John de Aske, and to
Margaret his wife, of the manor of Ousthorpe with its appurtenances in
Ousthorpe, Hithe, Sandholme, Dike, Bealassis, Yuckeflete, Meteham,
Cottenes, Hoveden, Askilby, Grenake, Cavill, Neusom, Brynd, Suth
Duffeld, and Brighton. Witnesses, Robert Babthorpe, knight, Thomas de
Meteham, John Portyngton, William Moston, esquires, and William
Thorpe. Ousthorp."
Notice Alice Aske Hay Miton amongst all the male feoffees - she must
have been a lady to reckon with!
Also, from A.S. Ellis, 'Notes on Some Ancient East Riding Families and
their Arms: III. The Askes of Aughton' in 'Trans. of the East Riding
Antiquarian Society', Vol. VI (1898), pp. 44-45:
"The following are the arms 'in the Howse of Mr. Aske, of Aughton in
Yorkshire, in glass windows', Robert Glover copied in 1584. These
appear, from his arrangement, to have been in a bay-window of five
lights in the Hall--twenty-five coats in all.
"II. Aske quartering Dawtry impaling 'Ughtreight' quartering Burdon.
"XVII. Repetition of No. II.
"XIX. 'Utreight' quartering Burdon impaling Lowther.
"XX. 'Utreight' quartering Burdon impaling Lowther."
So your theory of a double sibling Aske/Ughtred marriage sounds good.
Ellis further remarks (p. 52): "Inside the church Glover overlooked
the brass of Richard Aske, esq., and Margaret, his wife, still partly
existing (see illustration by Mr. Mill Stephenson, Yorks. Archaeol.
Journal, XII., 196)."
That may be worth pursuing.
Cheers, --------Brad
IF CP is right (and also the HSP 96 pedigree which I haven't seen), this
would indicate that a brother/sister pair from the Aske family (Richard and
Joan) married a brother/sister pair from the Ughtred family (Margaret and
Sir Robert), and thus the visitation pedigrees were wrong in calling
Margaret a dau. of Sir Robert Ughtred. Pairs of sibling marriages were
certainly not uncommon, so this would not be implausible. Without asserting
that this is correct, what is the evidence (aside from the visitation
pedigrees) that Margaret was the daughter rather than the sister of Sir
Robert Ughtred?
John, sorry I can't be of much assistance on this question. The only
primary evidence I have on Richard Aske of Aughton and Owsthorpe and
Margaret Ughtred is the following, from 'Yorkshire Deeds' in 'Yorks.
Arch. Journal' Vol. 17 (1903), pp. 108-109:
"October 10, 11 Hen. VI (1432). Grant in tail by Robert Conestable,
esq., Master Richard Moresby, clerk, Alesia de Miton, Robert
Rudestane, Thomas Wilton, Robert Barde, William Baillie, and William
Barete, to Richard de Aske, son and heir of John de Aske, and to
Margaret his wife, of the manor of Ousthorpe with its appurtenances in
Ousthorpe, Hithe, Sandholme, Dike, Bealassis, Yuckeflete, Meteham,
Cottenes, Hoveden, Askilby, Grenake, Cavill, Neusom, Brynd, Suth
Duffeld, and Brighton. Witnesses, Robert Babthorpe, knight, Thomas de
Meteham, John Portyngton, William Moston, esquires, and William
Thorpe. Ousthorp."
Notice Alice Aske Hay Miton amongst all the male feoffees - she must
have been a lady to reckon with!
Also, from A.S. Ellis, 'Notes on Some Ancient East Riding Families and
their Arms: III. The Askes of Aughton' in 'Trans. of the East Riding
Antiquarian Society', Vol. VI (1898), pp. 44-45:
"The following are the arms 'in the Howse of Mr. Aske, of Aughton in
Yorkshire, in glass windows', Robert Glover copied in 1584. These
appear, from his arrangement, to have been in a bay-window of five
lights in the Hall--twenty-five coats in all.
"II. Aske quartering Dawtry impaling 'Ughtreight' quartering Burdon.
"XVII. Repetition of No. II.
"XIX. 'Utreight' quartering Burdon impaling Lowther.
"XX. 'Utreight' quartering Burdon impaling Lowther."
So your theory of a double sibling Aske/Ughtred marriage sounds good.
Ellis further remarks (p. 52): "Inside the church Glover overlooked
the brass of Richard Aske, esq., and Margaret, his wife, still partly
existing (see illustration by Mr. Mill Stephenson, Yorks. Archaeol.
Journal, XII., 196)."
That may be worth pursuing.
Cheers, --------Brad
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John Watson
Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicid
Hi Brad,
I get the impression that Richard Aske wasn't a very nice person.
There are several pardons to him in the Calendar of Patent Rolls for
murders he was accused of. Perhaps that's why the Prince Bishop of
Durham employed him as an "enforcer" in his remoter possessions in
Yorkshire. When it came to rent collection time I don't suppose the
tenants were inclined to argue with Richard.
Regards,
John
On Apr 27, 2:00 pm, "Brad Verity" <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I get the impression that Richard Aske wasn't a very nice person.
There are several pardons to him in the Calendar of Patent Rolls for
murders he was accused of. Perhaps that's why the Prince Bishop of
Durham employed him as an "enforcer" in his remoter possessions in
Yorkshire. When it came to rent collection time I don't suppose the
tenants were inclined to argue with Richard.
Regards,
John
On Apr 27, 2:00 pm, "Brad Verity" <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com
Hi Brad,
One small question. How exactly did the Askes gain the manor of
Aughton?
Apparently, by the use of legal shenanigans, if not outright force. They
came into Howdenshire and conquered it, as it were.
Alice Aske married German Hay who held the manor and presumably they
had no children. After his death she married Thomas Myton. After his
death the Hay's tried to regain the manor, apparently unsuccessfully.
It should, by right of blood, have returned to them on the death of German's
widow.
ca. 1415?: Nature of request: Roger Hay states that he was seised of
the manors of Aughton and Everthorpe in Yorkshire in his demesne as in
fee, until Alice, widow of Thomas Myton, disseised him through the
maintenance of her brother, John Ask. He asks the King to order Alice
to come before him to be examined on this, and that he might be
restored to possession of his manors. [PRO: SC 8/191/9519]
The Askes were local justices of the peace, and seneschals for the bishop of
Durham over the Howdenshire estates of that see. In other words, they
ruled. The following I found on the website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/rfc/gw3.htm
Notes on the Aske Family by Anne-Denise Warsnop,
reg...@leeds.ac.uk:
The story starts with Richard Aske, the 7th son of the Aske
family of Aske in the North Riding of Yorkshire. (The 14th
century pele tower is still there at Aske, altho now surrounded
by a Georgian manor house.)
As a 7th son Richard Aske has to find work as he would inherit
nothing. He went off to the French Wars. He took part in The
Hundred Years war, and was recognized for his bravery by Edward
III. By the 1360s he was back in this country, and well
rewarded by his king. He was recognized as the king's yeoman.
He moved from the North Riding to the East Riding when he
became steward of lands that the Bishop of Durham held in
Howden. At this time Richard de Aske lived at Ousethorpe, near
Howden. Sadly, altho Richard married he died without children.
His estate passed to his brother John, who married the
Shelvestrode woman. There is some mystery here. A man called
Shelvestrode owed Richard Aske an enormous sum of something
like 2,000 marks. I have no idea how or why the debt was
incurred but I wonder if he were ransomed in some way during
the French wars. I also wonder if he were unable to pay the
debt, and offered a daughter in marriage instead.
Anyway, John did marry this woman from, I think, Sussex. The
lands which came with her stayed in the family until the 1530s.
In the aftermath of the Pilgrimage of Grace (led by Robert
Aske, of course) another John Aske asked Henry VIII for
permission to swap his Sussex lands for lands in Yorkshire.
John Aske had a son, John. The two Johns were king's yeomen and
were held in high esteeem - Richard's exploits obviously lived
in legend. Richard, by the way, was a Justice of the Peace, as
were the Johns; Richard also had the distinction of being
pardoned for murder on a couple of occasions, because of his
good service in France. Richard's and John's servants were also
ruffians, and were also pardoned for murder.
Poor Roger Hay would just as soon have sued the archbishop of York for what
he was up against.
Will of Lady Aleisa Myton, dated 16 Apr 1440, at Aughton, proved 22
July 1440. Executor Richard Aske. [Testamenta Eboracensia Part III,
Surtees Society, Vol 30, Durham, 1855, p 76]
I couldn't access her will through Google Books.
What exactly does maintenance mean in this context?
Active assistance and involvement. Sadly this is yet another example of a
family/individual with greater power ignoring the rights of collateral, yet
lawful, heirs by blood and taking over property. No doubt the Askes had
some form of documents from German Hay giving them right to Aughton and
Everthorpe should he die childless. German needs to share the blame in
disinheriting his blood.
Thanks for looking into the Aughton acquisition further, John. It provides
interesting additional detail to the story of these Askes.
Cheers, ---------Brad
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Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicid
On Apr 25, 12:38 pm, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
(snip of fascinating material)
Brad
I just wanted to thank you for your continued posts on the descendants
of Edward III, and for your detailed Aske post in particular. They
are very soundly researched, well-written, and extremely interesting;
I have enjoyed them immensely.
Best wishes, Michael
Richard Aske (1587-1656), junior counsel at the trial of Charles I in
1648, resided in London for years, but came from a long line of
Yorkshire gentry. He was admitted to the Inner Temple in 1606, and
became a staunch Puritan. He was appointed attorney of the King's
Bench by Parliament in 1644, and topped his career with the office of
Justice of the Upper Bench in 1649, which he served until his death.
His wife was a Yorkshire lady - Joan (d. 1666), widow of Thomas Lister
of Arnoldsbiggin, and daughter of Thomas Heber of Marton, Yorks.
(snip of fascinating material)
Brad
I just wanted to thank you for your continued posts on the descendants
of Edward III, and for your detailed Aske post in particular. They
are very soundly researched, well-written, and extremely interesting;
I have enjoyed them immensely.
Best wishes, Michael