Hildis of the Vandals - Origin of the myth?

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Hildis of the Vandals - Origin of the myth?

Legg inn av Gjest » 24 apr 2007 18:11:02

Anyone who's looked at the timeline of late Vandal kingdom events, and
done the math, knows she couldn't have existed, nor could have her
supposed mother "Amfleda the Younger".

What I'm trying to learn is: where did this fiction originate?

I'm guessing some old Scandinavian saga, but which one? I find no
reference to her in the Ynglinga saga.

Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this.

Stewart Baldwin

Re: Hildis of the Vandals - Origin of the myth?

Legg inn av Stewart Baldwin » 24 apr 2007 22:27:40

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT), stursa@695online.com wrote:

Anyone who's looked at the timeline of late Vandal kingdom events, and
done the math, knows she couldn't have existed, nor could have her
supposed mother "Amfleda the Younger".

What I'm trying to learn is: where did this fiction originate?

I'm guessing some old Scandinavian saga, but which one? I find no
reference to her in the Ynglinga saga.

Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this.

Although I suspect that the claimed descent also involves some more
modern "scholarship", it seems to me that part of the inspiration
probably came from "The Saga of Hervor & King Heidrek the Wise", of
which Chapter 15 begins:

"Angantyr was king over Reidgotaland for many years. He was powerful
and a great warrior, and from him are descended lines of kings. His
son was Heidrek Wolfhide, who succeeded him and ruled long in
Reidgotaland. He had a daughter called Hild. She was the mother of
Halfdan Snjalli, father of Ivar the Wide-Grip."

A translation of the saga can be found at:

http://www.northvegr.org/lore/oldheathen/018.php

Stewart Baldwin

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Re: Hildis of the Vandals - Origin of the myth?

Legg inn av Gjest » 30 apr 2007 19:22:07

Stewart Baldwin said:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT), stursa@695online.com wrote:

Anyone who's looked at the timeline of late Vandal kingdom events, and
done the math, knows she couldn't have existed, nor could have her
supposed mother "Amfleda the Younger".

What I'm trying to learn is: where did this fiction originate?

I'm guessing some old Scandinavian saga, but which one? I find no
reference to her in the Ynglinga saga.

Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this.

Although I suspect that the claimed descent also involves some more
modern "scholarship", it seems to me that part of the inspiration
probably came from "The Saga of Hervor & King Heidrek the Wise", of
which Chapter 15 begins:

"Angantyr was king over Reidgotaland for many years. He was powerful
and a great warrior, and from him are descended lines of kings. His
son was Heidrek Wolfhide, who succeeded him and ruled long in
Reidgotaland. He had a daughter called Hild. She was the mother of
Halfdan Snjalli, father of Ivar the Wide-Grip."

A translation of the saga can be found at:

http://www.northvegr.org/lore/oldheathen/018.php

Stewart -

Thanks for the reply.

Additional web searches, using other variations of Hildis (e.g., Hilde)
returned a 18 Jun 2004 post to this list by Jared Linn Olar, which was
also extremely useful.

Yes, it does appear that the Vandal connection was invented by someone of
the "imaginative" school of history, the type who write books claiming the
continent of Atlantis was real.

There are dozens, perhaps hundreds, of web-posted genealogies which
incorporate the mythical Hildis. More proof that some people will believe
anything, particularly if they want to.

- SLS

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