Looking for a primary source [s] (likely a chronicle) for the death
date of Adelaide of Savoy or Adelaide of Maurienne, wife Louis VII of
France. She died on November 18, 1154.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Evidence of Adelaide of Maurienne's death
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Peter Stewart
Re: Evidence of Adelaide of Maurienne's death
"DaHoorn" <sbarnhoorn@mail.com> wrote in message
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You might be lucky, but I'm not sure that any contemporary source records
her death in 1154 - this was given by Duchesne in his work on the
Montmorenci family, taken from there by Père Anselme and repeated ever
since, without citing evidence that I can remember seeing. Very little is
known of Adelaide's life after the death of her first husband - who by the
way was Louis VI (the Fat), not VII.
She certainly died on 18 November, her death or anniversary is recorded on
this date in the obituaries of Saint-Denis, Sainte-Geneviève and
Saint-Martin-des-Champs.
Peter Stewart
news:1177377094.366051.272800@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Looking for a primary source [s] (likely a chronicle) for the death
date of Adelaide of Savoy or Adelaide of Maurienne, wife Louis VII of
France. She died on November 18, 1154.
You might be lucky, but I'm not sure that any contemporary source records
her death in 1154 - this was given by Duchesne in his work on the
Montmorenci family, taken from there by Père Anselme and repeated ever
since, without citing evidence that I can remember seeing. Very little is
known of Adelaide's life after the death of her first husband - who by the
way was Louis VI (the Fat), not VII.
She certainly died on 18 November, her death or anniversary is recorded on
this date in the obituaries of Saint-Denis, Sainte-Geneviève and
Saint-Martin-des-Champs.
Peter Stewart
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Peter Stewart
Re: Evidence of Adelaide of Maurienne's death
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
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On further checking, although there is no direct source for the date it is
certain that Adelaide died on 18 November 1154.
A charter of her son Louis VII states that she had died in the convent at
Montmartre, her own foundation, while he was on pilgrimage to Santiago -
"Amor Dei et votorum obligatio nos aliquando compulit ad sanctum Jacobum
apostolum et patronum nostrum peregrinari. Et dum essemus in itinere, bone
memorie Adelaidis regina Francie et mater nostra in sancta confessione
migravit a seculo apud Montem martirum, in colegio sanctarum feminarum, quam
sane abbaciam ipsa fundaverat".
This document is known from two versions, one a vidimus of 25 January 1487
that gives the date 1154, the other a copy in the cartulary of Saint-Pierre
de Montmartre giving 1153 instead. Whichever is correct the year AD would
observe Annunciation style, so from this evidence the charter could have
been written in the twelve months before 25 March in either 1154 or 1155 new
style.
Louis VII's pilgrimage to Spain took place in 1154. He married Constance of
Castile in 1153 before 18 November, as shown by a document of the military
order of Santiago - "Facta carta in Sauria XIIII. Kal. Dec. Era MCLXCI.
quando imperator nupsit filiam suam Constantiam Ludovico regi Franciae" (Era
1191 = 1153). After their marriage his court was troubled by rumours that
the new queen had been born to a concubine, and we are told by several
sources that he went to Spain partly to verify that her mother was Alfonso
VII's first wife Berenguela, which was confirmed to him by the latter's
brother Count Ramon Berenguer IV of Barcelona. At the end of 1154 or
beginning of 1155 (new style) Louis was at Toulouse on his way back from
this trip. The charter for Montmartre was dated at Paris, and consequently
was written after this, in the early months of 1155, securely placing his
mother's death late in 1154.
Peter Stewart
news:M6kXh.18749$M.1206@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"DaHoorn" <sbarnhoorn@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1177377094.366051.272800@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Looking for a primary source [s] (likely a chronicle) for the death
date of Adelaide of Savoy or Adelaide of Maurienne, wife Louis VII of
France. She died on November 18, 1154.
You might be lucky, but I'm not sure that any contemporary source records
her death in 1154 - this was given by Duchesne in his work on the
Montmorenci family, taken from there by Père Anselme and repeated ever
since, without citing evidence that I can remember seeing. Very little is
known of Adelaide's life after the death of her first husband - who by the
way was Louis VI (the Fat), not VII.
She certainly died on 18 November, her death or anniversary is recorded on
this date in the obituaries of Saint-Denis, Sainte-Geneviève and
Saint-Martin-des-Champs.
On further checking, although there is no direct source for the date it is
certain that Adelaide died on 18 November 1154.
A charter of her son Louis VII states that she had died in the convent at
Montmartre, her own foundation, while he was on pilgrimage to Santiago -
"Amor Dei et votorum obligatio nos aliquando compulit ad sanctum Jacobum
apostolum et patronum nostrum peregrinari. Et dum essemus in itinere, bone
memorie Adelaidis regina Francie et mater nostra in sancta confessione
migravit a seculo apud Montem martirum, in colegio sanctarum feminarum, quam
sane abbaciam ipsa fundaverat".
This document is known from two versions, one a vidimus of 25 January 1487
that gives the date 1154, the other a copy in the cartulary of Saint-Pierre
de Montmartre giving 1153 instead. Whichever is correct the year AD would
observe Annunciation style, so from this evidence the charter could have
been written in the twelve months before 25 March in either 1154 or 1155 new
style.
Louis VII's pilgrimage to Spain took place in 1154. He married Constance of
Castile in 1153 before 18 November, as shown by a document of the military
order of Santiago - "Facta carta in Sauria XIIII. Kal. Dec. Era MCLXCI.
quando imperator nupsit filiam suam Constantiam Ludovico regi Franciae" (Era
1191 = 1153). After their marriage his court was troubled by rumours that
the new queen had been born to a concubine, and we are told by several
sources that he went to Spain partly to verify that her mother was Alfonso
VII's first wife Berenguela, which was confirmed to him by the latter's
brother Count Ramon Berenguer IV of Barcelona. At the end of 1154 or
beginning of 1155 (new style) Louis was at Toulouse on his way back from
this trip. The charter for Montmartre was dated at Paris, and consequently
was written after this, in the early months of 1155, securely placing his
mother's death late in 1154.
Peter Stewart
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Peter Stewart
Re: Evidence of Adelaide of Maurienne's death
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Apologies for the confusing date - the symbol from another font did not
paste correctly, and to make sense it should be read as "Era
MCLXXXXI....(Era 1191 = 1153)".
Peter Stewart
news:EQ0Yh.24328$M.15190@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
<snip>
Louis VII's pilgrimage to Spain took place in 1154. He married Constance
of Castile in 1153 before 18 November, as shown by a document of the
military order of Santiago - "Facta carta in Sauria XIIII. Kal. Dec. Era
MCLXCI. quando imperator nupsit filiam suam Constantiam Ludovico regi
Franciae" (Era 1191 = 1153).
Apologies for the confusing date - the symbol from another font did not
paste correctly, and to make sense it should be read as "Era
MCLXXXXI....(Era 1191 = 1153)".
Peter Stewart