Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
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joseph cook
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
On Apr 13, 4:01 pm, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for that. The book mentions a brass plate of John Manning
husband of Agnes Petley (daughter of John Petley) It seems to say
that this John Manning died 1543, but the Down Burial Register
immediately above shows John Manning the elder buried march 10,
1542 . Is this a different John Manning?
Does anyone have an ahnantafel of Henry & George Manning's proven
ancestors?
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0Y468sDNBa_u9s-QXYrNMk-&id=pUQJAAAA...
Thanks for that. The book mentions a brass plate of John Manning
husband of Agnes Petley (daughter of John Petley) It seems to say
that this John Manning died 1543, but the Down Burial Register
immediately above shows John Manning the elder buried march 10,
1542 . Is this a different John Manning?
Does anyone have an ahnantafel of Henry & George Manning's proven
ancestors?
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John Brandon
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0Y468sDNBa_u9s-QXYrNMk-&id=pUQJAAAA...
Thanks for that. The book mentions a brass plate of John Manning
husband of Agnes Petley (daughter of John Petley) It seems to say
that this John Manning died 1543, but the Down Burial Register
immediately above shows John Manning the elder buried march 10,
1542 . Is this a different John Manning?
Does anyone have an ahnantafel of Henry & George Manning's proven
ancestors?
Probably the same, I would think.
I used to own Threlfall's book on Whitfield-Manning, but threw it away
in a fit of rage several years ago (wish I hadn't though; but it did
have the most cartoonishly hand-colored and crookedly tipped-in
illustrations--got on my nerves looking at it one day).
Don Stone may be able to answer this--but unfortunately he's sinfully
lazy..
I better stop this. Peter Stewart will soon be piping up to tel me
that people are gossiping about me in their private communications,
hence I'll never amount to anything.
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Don Stone
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
John Brandon wrote:
I agree with the first half of that last sentence and disagree with the
second half.
Threlfall's _Henry Whitfield_ says (p.20) that John Manning of Downe,
husband of Agnes Petley, was buried 10 March 1542/3.
-- Don Stone
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0Y468sDNBa_u9s-QXYrNMk-&id=pUQJAAAA...
Thanks for that. The book mentions a brass plate of John Manning
husband of Agnes Petley (daughter of John Petley) It seems to say
that this John Manning died 1543, but the Down Burial Register
immediately above shows John Manning the elder buried march 10,
1542 . Is this a different John Manning?
Does anyone have an ahnantafel of Henry & George Manning's proven
ancestors?
Probably the same, I would think.
I used to own Threlfall's book on Whitfield-Manning, but threw it away
in a fit of rage several years ago (wish I hadn't though; but it did
have the most cartoonishly hand-colored and crookedly tipped-in
illustrations--got on my nerves looking at it one day).
Don Stone may be able to answer this--but unfortunately he's sinfully
lazy..
I agree with the first half of that last sentence and disagree with the
second half.
Threlfall's _Henry Whitfield_ says (p.20) that John Manning of Downe,
husband of Agnes Petley, was buried 10 March 1542/3.
-- Don Stone
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John Brandon
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
I agree with the first half of that last sentence and disagree with the
second half.
I'll give you a few points for diplomacy, Don, but you must be aware
of perceptions at least that the other one does a lot more of the
actual work.
Let me ask you about my question from January since you have the book
out. There was a London/ Middlesex fine from 11 Elizabeth I involving
Robert Wingfield, gent., and wife Elizabeth on the one hand, and Agnes
Kirkener and her daughters Catherine Manning, Susannah Manning, and
Anne Mighell. Was that already in the Threlfall book by any chance?
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Ian Wallace
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
If anyone is interested, I am just completing some research into the
St Mary Cray branch of this Manning family (descendants of John
Manning's brother Richard, only up to about 1630)
No doubt, as already suggested, the apparent confusion is caused by
the old style calender, with the burial on 10th March 1542 falling in
what we know call 1543.
Ian.
St Mary Cray branch of this Manning family (descendants of John
Manning's brother Richard, only up to about 1630)
No doubt, as already suggested, the apparent confusion is caused by
the old style calender, with the burial on 10th March 1542 falling in
what we know call 1543.
Ian.
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Don Stone
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
John Brandon wrote:
Todd and I are "on duty" as GEN-MEDIEVAL listowner for equal amounts of
time (we switch duties every two months). I expect we do roughly the
same amount of administrative work.
Threlfall's _Ancestry of Rev. Henry Whitfield_, p. 80:
After his death, Agnes and the daughters sold the property in White
Friars, London as the following Letter Patent records.
"6 April 1569 - Licence for Agnes Crykener, widow, late the wife of
Erasmus Crykener of Grenewiche, county Kent, Henry Mannynge and
Catherine his wife, one of the daughters and co-heirs of Erasmus,
William Mychyll and Anne his wife, another of the daughters and co-heirs
of Erasmus, William Mannynge and Susan his wife, another of the
daughters and co-heirs of Erasmus, to alienate a messuage or le
breuhouse in the precincts of the House of the Whyte Friers in the
suburbs of London to Robert Wingfelde of London and Elizabeth his wife
in tail, with remainder to Robert and his heirs. For 44s. 5d." (Patent
Rolls 2406)
-- Don Stone
I agree with the first half of that last sentence and disagree with the
second half.
I'll give you a few points for diplomacy, Don, but you must be aware
of perceptions at least that the other one does a lot more of the
actual work.
Todd and I are "on duty" as GEN-MEDIEVAL listowner for equal amounts of
time (we switch duties every two months). I expect we do roughly the
same amount of administrative work.
Let me ask you about my question from January since you have the book
out. There was a London/ Middlesex fine from 11 Elizabeth I involving
Robert Wingfield, gent., and wife Elizabeth on the one hand, and Agnes
Kirkener and her daughters Catherine Manning, Susannah Manning, and
Anne Mighell. Was that already in the Threlfall book by any chance?
Threlfall's _Ancestry of Rev. Henry Whitfield_, p. 80:
After his death, Agnes and the daughters sold the property in White
Friars, London as the following Letter Patent records.
"6 April 1569 - Licence for Agnes Crykener, widow, late the wife of
Erasmus Crykener of Grenewiche, county Kent, Henry Mannynge and
Catherine his wife, one of the daughters and co-heirs of Erasmus,
William Mychyll and Anne his wife, another of the daughters and co-heirs
of Erasmus, William Mannynge and Susan his wife, another of the
daughters and co-heirs of Erasmus, to alienate a messuage or le
breuhouse in the precincts of the House of the Whyte Friers in the
suburbs of London to Robert Wingfelde of London and Elizabeth his wife
in tail, with remainder to Robert and his heirs. For 44s. 5d." (Patent
Rolls 2406)
-- Don Stone
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John Brandon
Re: Manning items from Archaeologia Cantiana
Todd and I are "on duty" as GEN-MEDIEVAL listowner for equal amounts of
time (we switch duties every two months). I expect we do roughly the
same amount of administrative work.
I guess, but Herr Doktor Todd usually participates in a number of
threads throughout the month, whereas your Google groups stats have
been showing exactly 1 posting a month for the past two years or more
(as though you had consciously set yourself a "bare minimum quota" for
involvement). But don't mind my jawing, Don. You aw-iight, as they
say in the street.
Threlfall's _Ancestry of Rev. Henry Whitfield_, p. 80:
After his death, Agnes and the daughters sold the property in White
Friars, London as the following Letter Patent records.
"6 April 1569 - Licence for Agnes Crykener, widow, late the wife of
Erasmus Crykener of Grenewiche, county Kent, Henry Mannynge and
Catherine his wife, one of the daughters and co-heirs of Erasmus,
William Mychyll and Anne his wife, another of the daughters and co-heirs
of Erasmus, William Mannynge and Susan his wife, another of the
daughters and co-heirs of Erasmus, to alienate a messuage or le
breuhouse in the precincts of the House of the Whyte Friers in the
suburbs of London to Robert Wingfelde of London and Elizabeth his wife
in tail, with remainder to Robert and his heirs. For 44s. 5d." (Patent
Rolls 2406)
Wonder why JBT didn't make more of the Kirkener-Wingfield connection,
as the Wingfields had intermarried with the Brandons in the previous
century?