Middlecott-Gifford marriages

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Middlecott-Gifford marriages

Legg inn av John Brandon » 12 apr 2007 20:44:37

Mr. Richard Middlecott/ Middelcot of Boston, the adversary of John
Gifford of Lynn and Boston, was from a family settled at Warminster,
Wilts., and in the past I've pointed out the following extrracted
records from the IGI:

Saint Denys, Warminster, Wiltshire
--John Middelcott to Mary Guifforde, 20 Jan. 1560
--Edward Middlecott to Margaret Gifford, 26 March 1668

These two marriages are shown in Paul Gifford's website ("GIFFORD OF
BOREHAM, WILTSHIRE, AND BURSTALL, LEICESTERSHIRE"), where Mary Gifford
Middlecott is seen to be dau. of Thomas Gifford, gent., and Margaret
Gifford Middlecott the dau. of his descendant William and Dorothy
(Randall) Gifford.

https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/

These records would probably have to be squared with the pedigree in
Maddison's _Lincolnshire Pedigrees_ to see if the New England
Middlecotts had a Gifford line.

See
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... +middlecot

Gjest

Re: Middlecott-Gifford marriages

Legg inn av Gjest » 12 apr 2007 23:41:26

On 12 Apr., 20:44, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Richard Middlecott/ Middelcot of Boston, the adversary of John
Gifford of Lynn and Boston, was from a family settled at Warminster,
Wilts., and in the past I've pointed out the following extrracted
records from the IGI:

Saint Denys, Warminster, Wiltshire
--John Middelcott to Mary Guifforde, 20 Jan. 1560
--Edward Middlecott to Margaret Gifford, 26 March 1668

These two marriages are shown in Paul Gifford's website ("GIFFORD OF
BOREHAM, WILTSHIRE, AND BURSTALL, LEICESTERSHIRE"), where Mary Gifford
Middlecott is seen to be dau. of Thomas Gifford, gent., and Margaret
Gifford Middlecott the dau. of his descendant William and Dorothy
(Randall) Gifford.

https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/

These records would probably have to be squared with the pedigree in
Maddison's _Lincolnshire Pedigrees_ to see if the New England
Middlecotts had a Gifford line.

It seems unlikely, if Richard, the brother of Edward Middlecott of
Warminster (will proved PCC 1705) was the emigrant to New England, his
eldest son Edward returning to take over his namesake-uncle's
property.

The two Gifford marriages above appear to be to the members of the
Middlecott family I have marked thus (*) below, based on the
Lincolnshire Pedigrees entry and various probate references [the
latter of which show that the former is largely accurate]:

Richard of Bishopstrow (will PCC 1569) married Margaret Stokes (will
PCC 1584), and had two sons:

(1) John(*), clothier of Bishopstrow, named as "son-in-law" in the
will of Thomas Gifford of Warminster (will Sarum 1575); married 1560
Mary Gifford. They had three sons and a daughter: the sons were Sir
Thomas, of Boston (will PCC 1626), who died without issue; John, and
Richard (born c1569, living 1617, of Algarkirk, Lincs). Sir Thomas's
residuary legatee was his sister, the wife of Richard Riley of
Welbourn; perhaps this indicates that Sir Thomas's brothers were dead
without issue by 1625, when he wrote his will. Richard was probably
the one of that name whose Lincolnshire IPM is dated 22 James I ((C
142/403/64, 1624 or 1625). Other than the Rileys of Welbourn, who
flourished at least into the late 17th century, the Middlecott issue
of Mary Gifford is likely to have been extinct within a generation,
and in any case did not include the later Middlecotts of Warminster,
who were descended from the second son of Richard and Margaret:

(2) William, gentleman of Warminster (will PCC 1598); married Elinor
(will Sarum 1608). Their son Edward was married to a Mary, according
to Larken, and had sons Edward, and Richard ("buried at Boston 1625").
It seems likely that this younger Edward also married a Mary, who by
him was the mother of Edward of Warminster(*) (supra) and Richard, the
emigrant; her will was proved at Salisbury 1701. Presumably Edward of
Warminster is he who married Margaret Gifford in 1668, and given that
he left his Warminster estate to his brother and nephew, it seems they
did not have any children of their own. If this reconstruction is
correct, then the second Gifford wife in the Middlecott family also
left no surviving Middlecott issue.

MA-R

John Brandon

Re: Middlecott-Gifford marriages

Legg inn av John Brandon » 13 apr 2007 15:23:35

I thought I was no longer on your radar <kicks self; exits stage
left>.

But ... anyway, thank you, this is helpful.

It's interesting that Richard Middlecott the N.E. immigrant must have
had a sister-in-law by the name of Margaret Gifford. It's also
interesting that Richard's English grandson, Edward, married an
Elizabeth Temple of Bishopstrow:

153 EDWARD MIDDLECOTT5 (Edward4, Sarah Winslow3, Mary2 Chilton,
James1) b. Warminster, Wiltshire, England bef. 1708; living there 17
March 1728.
He m. Bishopstrow, England 15 June 1727 ELIZABETH TEMPLE.
Edward5 was appointed administrator on the estate of his father
Edward Middlecott of Warminster, Wiltshire, England 17 March 1728.

Prob. child (MIDDLECOTT) b. England: EDWARD6 b. 1728.

See http://groups.google.com/group/soc.gene ... urce&hl=en

Because Mr. John Gifford's wife Margaret was supposed to have been a
Temple, I wondered if there was some connection to Warminster (and the
Middlecott-Gifford legal battles were somehow between distant
"cousins" of some sort). But looking at Paul Gifford's website, I see
that arms of the Boreham-Warminster Giffords were "Azure, three
stirrups, with leathers, or within a bordure engrailed argent
pelletty."

The photo that Nat Taylor ordered (and I paid for) of the John Gifford
seal from the Essex Peabody Museum in Salem was very unclear to me--it
was very blurry, and looked like it had melted oddly through the
middle in a rather large patch. But Nat assured me that when he
actually inspected the seal, the arms were _three lions in pale_. So
therefore, it doesn't seem that this would be the correct Gifford
family for John of Boston/ Lynn.

Do you know anything about the Temples of Bishopstrow?

John Brandon

Re: Middlecott-Gifford marriages

Legg inn av John Brandon » 13 apr 2007 20:38:23

What, was it something I said? I hate it when everyone goes all quiet
and sullen.

As a side note, I see that Paul Gifford's website shows the following
in the section on the "CHILLINGTON GIFFARDS" ...

"John Giffard, of Whiteladies and Boscobel, Shropshire, d. before 1647
in Ireland; m. Dorothy, daughter of Sir John Poyntz of Iron Acton,
Gloucestershire, and widow of John Pennie, of East Coker, Somerset."

https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/

So I guess it was John Poyntz's daughter Dorothy, not Frances, who
married Mr. Giffard.


I thought I was no longer on your radar <kicks self; exits stage
left>.

But ... anyway, thank you, this is helpful.

It's interesting that Richard Middlecott the N.E. immigrant must have
had a sister-in-law by the name of Margaret Gifford. It's also
interesting that Richard's English grandson, Edward, married an
Elizabeth Temple of Bishopstrow:

153 EDWARD MIDDLECOTT5 (Edward4, Sarah Winslow3, Mary2 Chilton,
James1) b. Warminster, Wiltshire, England bef. 1708; living there 17
March 1728.
He m. Bishopstrow, England 15 June 1727 ELIZABETH TEMPLE.
Edward5 was appointed administrator on the estate of his father
Edward Middlecott of Warminster, Wiltshire, England 17 March 1728.

Prob. child (MIDDLECOTT) b. England: EDWARD6 b. 1728.

Seehttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.g ... 6d9fd7a9...

Because Mr. John Gifford's wife Margaret was supposed to have been a
Temple, I wondered if there was some connection to Warminster (and the
Middlecott-Gifford legal battles were somehow between distant
"cousins" of some sort). But looking at Paul Gifford's website, I see
that arms of the Boreham-Warminster Giffords were "Azure, three
stirrups, with leathers, or within a bordure engrailed argent
pelletty."

The photo that Nat Taylor ordered (and I paid for) of the John Gifford
seal from the Essex Peabody Museum in Salem was very unclear to me--it
was very blurry, and looked like it had melted oddly through the
middle in a rather large patch. But Nat assured me that when he
actually inspected the seal, the arms were _three lions in pale_. So
therefore, it doesn't seem that this would be the correct Gifford
family for John of Boston/ Lynn.

Do you know anything about the Temples of Bishopstrow?

Gjest

Re: Middlecott-Gifford marriages

Legg inn av Gjest » 16 apr 2007 23:09:00

On 13 Apr., 15:23, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do you know anything about the Temples of Bishopstrow?

Not a great deal (have you been through the Temple references on the
Wiltshire wills database?) but will respond further when I get the
chance to marshal my thought.

MA-R

John Brandon

Re: Middlecott-Gifford marriages

Legg inn av John Brandon » 16 apr 2007 23:13:54

Not a great deal (have you been through the Temple references on the
Wiltshire wills database?) but will respond further when I get the
chance to marshal my thought.

MA-R

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