The Bartons of Whenby are an excellent example of how a very localized
Yorkshire gentry family could become descendants of Edward III by the
close of the 16th century. The family started off at the beginning of
the 13th century with the manor of Fryton in the parish of Hovingham.
It was John Barton, who inherited the Richmondshire manor of Whenby
(less than 10 miles from Fryton) from his mother, that brought the
family a step up the social scale. He served on Commissions of the
Peace eight times between 1412 and 1423, alongside such Richmondshire
notables as James Strangways, Christopher Boynton and Richard Norton.
Barton's service career culminated with a term as escheator in
1422-23. His own marriage to Christian Aske of Aske, and the marriage
of his son and heir Conan to a Strangways, pulled the Bartons into the
orbit of the closely inter-linked gentry of Richmondshire. The Whenby
line from John Barton followed father-to-son as:
Conan Barton (d. 1436) m. Joan Strangways
Richard Barton (d. 1458) m. Isabel Norton
Christopher Barton (d. 1480) m. Margaret Danby
John Barton (d. 1505/06) m. Margaret Pickering
Thomas Barton (liv. 1543) m. Barbara Lascelles
Though none of the above Bartons inherited any further manors, and
their holdings never extended beyond a 10 square mile radius, it was
their kinship ties to the Richmondshire gentry, especially the Nortons
and Danbys, which allowed them to continue marrying into families of
an equal or higher social level. Thomas Barton above died while his
son and heir Edward was still a minor, and the wardship was granted to
courtier Thomas Ashley, who sold it to minor Edward himself in 1565
for £200. It was Edward Barton of Whenby who married into the
bloodline of Edward III when he took his distant cousin Elizabeth,
daughter of Francis Norton of Norton Conyers, as a wife. I haven't
been able to determine the exact year of the marriage, but it was
likely before 1569, when the Nortons played such a prominent part in
the Rising of the North that all of their lands were confiscated by
the Crown as a result. It's noteworthy that when Edward settled the
manors of Whenby and Skewsby on himself and his wife in 1587, none of
the Nortons served as feoffees.
The main Barton line ended two generations later in an heiress who
brought the family's chief manor of Whenby to the Ratcliffes of
Derwentwater, and became the mother of an earl. Her single descent
from Edward III is thru Joan Beaufort and given below. There is a
possibility that male line Barton descendants of Edward III continued
on for further generations remains, as I haven't been able to
determine if Edward Barton of Thornthorpe, Yorks. (younger son of
Edward of Whenby and Elizabeth Norton) had any surviving issue with
his wife Elizabeth Lever.
Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), who had
A1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
A2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
A3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
A4) Susan Nevill (1501-15--) m. Richard Norton of Norton Conyers (c.
1498- 1588), and had
A5) Francis Norton of Norton Conyers, fled to Flanders in 1569 m.
Albreda Wimbish, and had
A6) Elizabeth Norton m. Edward Barton of Whenby (d. 1610), and had
A7) Thomas Barton of Whenby (d. 1647) m. Alice Braithwaite of
Burnside, Westmorland, and had
A8) Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (d. 1668) m. 1615 Sir Edward Ratcliffe,
2nd Baronet, of Derwentwater (1589-1663, descendant of Edward III with
several lines thru Joan Beaufort).
The 2nd Earl of Derwentwater, grandson of A8 above, married Mary, an
illegitimate daughter of Charles II, King of England.
Cheers, --------Brad
Descent From Edward III For Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (d. 1
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Descent From Edward III For Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (
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From: "Brad Verity" <royaldescent@hotmail.com>
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Descent From Edward III For Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (d. 1668)
<snip>
The main Barton line ended two generations later in an heiress who
brought the family's chief manor of Whenby to the Ratcliffes of
Derwentwater, and became the mother of an earl. Her single descent
from Edward III is thru Joan Beaufort and given below.
The numbers before the names are the ancestor list numbers in the ancestor
list of Elizabeth Barton
1348 Edward III is your line shown below. Edward III is also 1364.
1364 Edward III
682. Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester
341. Anne of Gloucester
170 Sir John Bourchier, 1st Baron Berners
85. Joan Bourchier
42 Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer
21. Susan Nevill
10. Francis Norton
5.Elizabeth Norton
2. Thomas Barton
1.Elizabeth Barton
Hope this helps
Leo van de Pas
There is a
possibility that male line Barton descendants of Edward III continued
on for further generations remains, as I haven't been able to
determine if Edward Barton of Thornthorpe, Yorks. (younger son of
Edward of Whenby and Elizabeth Norton) had any surviving issue with
his wife Elizabeth Lever.
Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), who had
A1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
A2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
A3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
A4) Susan Nevill (1501-15--) m. Richard Norton of Norton Conyers (c.
1498- 1588), and had
A5) Francis Norton of Norton Conyers, fled to Flanders in 1569 m.
Albreda Wimbish, and had
A6) Elizabeth Norton m. Edward Barton of Whenby (d. 1610), and had
A7) Thomas Barton of Whenby (d. 1647) m. Alice Braithwaite of
Burnside, Westmorland, and had
A8) Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (d. 1668) m. 1615 Sir Edward Ratcliffe,
2nd Baronet, of Derwentwater (1589-1663, descendant of Edward III with
several lines thru Joan Beaufort).
The 2nd Earl of Derwentwater, grandson of A8 above, married Mary, an
illegitimate daughter of Charles II, King of England.
Cheers, --------Brad
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Descent From Edward III For Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (d. 1668)
<snip>
The main Barton line ended two generations later in an heiress who
brought the family's chief manor of Whenby to the Ratcliffes of
Derwentwater, and became the mother of an earl. Her single descent
from Edward III is thru Joan Beaufort and given below.
The numbers before the names are the ancestor list numbers in the ancestor
list of Elizabeth Barton
1348 Edward III is your line shown below. Edward III is also 1364.
1364 Edward III
682. Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester
341. Anne of Gloucester
170 Sir John Bourchier, 1st Baron Berners
85. Joan Bourchier
42 Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer
21. Susan Nevill
10. Francis Norton
5.Elizabeth Norton
2. Thomas Barton
1.Elizabeth Barton
Hope this helps
Leo van de Pas
There is a
possibility that male line Barton descendants of Edward III continued
on for further generations remains, as I haven't been able to
determine if Edward Barton of Thornthorpe, Yorks. (younger son of
Edward of Whenby and Elizabeth Norton) had any surviving issue with
his wife Elizabeth Lever.
Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), who had
A1) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
A2) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
A3) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
A4) Susan Nevill (1501-15--) m. Richard Norton of Norton Conyers (c.
1498- 1588), and had
A5) Francis Norton of Norton Conyers, fled to Flanders in 1569 m.
Albreda Wimbish, and had
A6) Elizabeth Norton m. Edward Barton of Whenby (d. 1610), and had
A7) Thomas Barton of Whenby (d. 1647) m. Alice Braithwaite of
Burnside, Westmorland, and had
A8) Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (d. 1668) m. 1615 Sir Edward Ratcliffe,
2nd Baronet, of Derwentwater (1589-1663, descendant of Edward III with
several lines thru Joan Beaufort).
The 2nd Earl of Derwentwater, grandson of A8 above, married Mary, an
illegitimate daughter of Charles II, King of England.
Cheers, --------Brad
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Re: Descent From Edward III For Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (
On Apr 7, 10:01 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Thank you, Leo. I've been so focused on Joan Beaufort, I forgot about
the one above!
Cheers, ---------Brad
The numbers before the names are the ancestor list numbers in the ancestor
list of Elizabeth Barton
1348 Edward III is your line shown below. Edward III is also 1364.
1364 Edward III
682. Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester
341. Anne of Gloucester
170 Sir John Bourchier, 1st Baron Berners
85. Joan Bourchier
42 Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer
21. Susan Nevill
10. Francis Norton
5.Elizabeth Norton
2. Thomas Barton
1.Elizabeth Barton
Thank you, Leo. I've been so focused on Joan Beaufort, I forgot about
the one above!
Cheers, ---------Brad
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Brad Verity
Re: Descent From Edward III For Elizabeth Barton of Whenby (
On Apr 9, 2:58 pm, Jwc1...@aol.com wrote:
Dear James,
My guess would be sometime in the 1570s or 1580s. Elizabeth Norton is
unmarried in the 1567 Visitation pedigree of the Nortons of Norton
Conyers, and married to Edward Barton of Whenby in the 1575 Norton
Visitation pedigree. Edward and Elizabeth had two sons (Thomas and
Edward) and two daughters (Frances and Ursula). The elder daughter,
Frances Barton, had licence to marry her kinsman Thomas Barton of
Cawton (1564-1630) in 1591. The younger daughter, Ursula Barton, did
not marry until 20 years later - she received licence to marry Roger
Bayne of Ripon in 1611. In the 1612 Visitation pedigree of the
Bartons, only sons Thomas and Edward are given to Edward Barton of
Whenby and Elizabeth Norton. Thomas is shown with wife and one
daughter, Elizabeth (who married 3 years later, in 1615), and Edward
is shown with no spouse.
The will of Thomas Barton of Whenby, older brother of Edward Barton of
Thornthorpe, has been published in J.W. Clay (ed.), 'Abstracts of
Yorkshire Wills" (Y.A.S. Record Series, Vol. IX, 1885). I have not
yet seen the full will, only a snippet provided by Google Books, but
Thomas leaves bequests to:
"To sister Fraunces Barton £20. To brother Edward Barton £20, and to
his wife £5.
To Robert Barton, his son, £10. To his son Roger .£10, and to his wife
£5. ..."
I don't know when the will was dated, but Thomas Barton died about
1647, as administration of his estate was granted 11 Feb. 1647.
I'm sorry I can't help further, but I'll be happy to send you a copy
of THomas Barton's will after I make a copy of it myself on my next
Library visit.
Cheers, --------Brad
About when was Edward Barton of Thornbridge (younger son
of Edward Barton of Whenby and Frances Norton born ?
Dear James,
My guess would be sometime in the 1570s or 1580s. Elizabeth Norton is
unmarried in the 1567 Visitation pedigree of the Nortons of Norton
Conyers, and married to Edward Barton of Whenby in the 1575 Norton
Visitation pedigree. Edward and Elizabeth had two sons (Thomas and
Edward) and two daughters (Frances and Ursula). The elder daughter,
Frances Barton, had licence to marry her kinsman Thomas Barton of
Cawton (1564-1630) in 1591. The younger daughter, Ursula Barton, did
not marry until 20 years later - she received licence to marry Roger
Bayne of Ripon in 1611. In the 1612 Visitation pedigree of the
Bartons, only sons Thomas and Edward are given to Edward Barton of
Whenby and Elizabeth Norton. Thomas is shown with wife and one
daughter, Elizabeth (who married 3 years later, in 1615), and Edward
is shown with no spouse.
I have an Edward who was
in New England circa 1640, He had a wife Elizabeth and removed to Maine in abt
1647 a daughter born say 1636 ? married a John Purington seems to have been
their eldest child. Edward is said to have been at Marblehead in 1643 for about
4 years.
The will of Thomas Barton of Whenby, older brother of Edward Barton of
Thornthorpe, has been published in J.W. Clay (ed.), 'Abstracts of
Yorkshire Wills" (Y.A.S. Record Series, Vol. IX, 1885). I have not
yet seen the full will, only a snippet provided by Google Books, but
Thomas leaves bequests to:
"To sister Fraunces Barton £20. To brother Edward Barton £20, and to
his wife £5.
To Robert Barton, his son, £10. To his son Roger .£10, and to his wife
£5. ..."
I don't know when the will was dated, but Thomas Barton died about
1647, as administration of his estate was granted 11 Feb. 1647.
The single most curious thing about this Edward Barton was the
manner in which is is referred in public records "landowner" rather than yeoman,
gentleman, mariner, fisherman, inn keeper , merchant or deacon. He died at Cape
Porpus, Maine in July 1671, when Elizabeth recieved administration on his
estate. their grandaughter Mary Holman (nee Barton) was an ancestress to
President, Senators and Governor Taft of Ohio.
Source : GDMNH p 79.
I'm sorry I can't help further, but I'll be happy to send you a copy
of THomas Barton's will after I make a copy of it myself on my next
Library visit.
Cheers, --------Brad