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John Higgins

Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Higgins » 28 mar 2007 01:36:14

Where exactly is it specified that non-medieval gateway ancestors are
"allowed on this group"? It's certainly not in the FAQ for
soc.genealogy.medieval [the Usenet group] or in the description of
Gen-Medieval-L [the Rootsweb mailing list].

See: http://users.erols.com/wrei/faqs/medieval.html for the former and
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/N ... IEVAL.html
for the latter.

Obviously everybody has medieval ancestors, but that doesn't mean that
non-medieval ancestors (gateway or otherwise) are pertinent to this group.
Of course, those who insist on ignoring the definition of the group will
continue to do so (see the last comment in the note below) .... and thus we
will continue to get off-topic posts of little interest (e.g., the
"medieval" ancestry of Anna Nicole Smith).

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Jesper Latham of London,stonecutter (cousin of Cary Latham of
New England)


This group would lose nothing at all of substance by your departure, or
Bulkely's for that matter. You could always start another focused on New
England & gateway ancestors. Despite the occasional call to keep these
subjects together with medieval genealogy, it is hardly onerous for
interested people to subscribe to two newsgroups with largely separate
discussions.

Why should I bother about starting another group on gateway ancestors,
when they're allowed on this group? ... And even if they
weren't .... :-)


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John Brandon

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 01:36:15

One of those links you supplied actually says:

The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the time
period in question, including, but not limited to:

* royal and noble descents
* origins of American colonists
* feudal descent of property
* value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas)
* adoption of surnames and insignia by families
* source availability and reliability
* reviews and correction of published works.

And a more "open" interpretation of the phrase "origins of American
colonists" might even leave a little room for "colonists of no known
royal descent," I would think.

Peter Stewart

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 01:36:15

On Mar 28, 9:54 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
One of those links you supplied actually says:

The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the time
period in question, including, but not limited to:

* royal and noble descents
* origins of American colonists
* feudal descent of property
* value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas)
* adoption of surnames and insignia by families
* source availability and reliability
* reviews and correction of published works.

And a more "open" interpretation of the phrase "origins of American
colonists" might even leave a little room for "colonists of no known
royal descent," I would think.

Of course, but NOT colonists of no known medieval descent.

The FAQ starts "soc.genealogy.medieval is an unmoderated newsgroup for
the discussion of genealogy and family history among people
researching individuals
who lived in medieval times". You are plainly NOT researching
individuals who lived in medieval times, ergo soc.genealogy.medieval
is NOT the most appropriate forum for your interests.

By your own statement you evidently come here from the very same amour
propre that you ascribe to others - you imagine there are readers here
who will admire your contributions and carry these into print for you
to reach a wider & more lasting public. If so, this could be achieved
just as well elsewhere on Usenet.

Peter Stewart

John Brandon

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 01:36:15

By your own statement you evidently come here from the very same amour
propre that you ascribe to others - you imagine there are readers here
who will admire your contributions and carry these into print for you
to reach a wider & more lasting public. If so, this could be achieved
just as well elsewhere on Usenet.

Here will do just fine, I think.

John Brandon

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 01:36:15

Thought doesn't enter into it on your part, I'm sure.

Peter Stewart

Oh a little jokey joke. teeeeeeeheeeeee

Peter Stewart

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 01:36:15

On Mar 28, 10:06 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
By your own statement you evidently come here from the very same amour
propre that you ascribe to others - you imagine there are readers here
who will admire your contributions and carry these into print for you
to reach a wider & more lasting public. If so, this could be achieved
just as well elsewhere on Usenet.

Here will do just fine, I think.

Thought doesn't enter into it on your part, I'm sure.

Peter Stewart

Gjest

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 mar 2007 07:44:29

On 28 Mrz., 00:54, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
One of those links you supplied actually says:

The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the time
period in question, including, but not limited to:

* royal and noble descents
* origins of American colonists
* feudal descent of property
* value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas)
* adoption of surnames and insignia by families
* source availability and reliability
* reviews and correction of published works.

And a more "open" interpretation of the phrase "origins of American
colonists" might even leave a little room for "colonists of no known
royal descent," I would think.

OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little time
to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this group.
Upon doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including, origins of
American colonists"

i.e. genealogical origins *in the time period in question* of American
colonists.

This manifestly does not include incessant clutter and trolling about
Londoners living in the 1690s, or about 18th century New Englanders,
when the obscure drivel presented has nothing to do with mediaeval
origins.

We can't stop the trolls who fling out the occasional rubbish about
pills or politics, but it is a shame that any regular poster should
continually treat the group as a toilet for their effluvia.

As has been kindly pointed out, there is a group designed for material
about these other matters, which are not on-topic here.

MA-R

John Brandon

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 12:01:23

OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little time
to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this group.
Upon doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including, origins of
American colonists"

Spot on, my ass. You've jammed the two phrases together, conveniently
for your interpretation. But, frankly, I don't need the aggravation
of being attacked for every little thing I post, and I have decided to
quit the newsgroup for good (like Chris Phillips). I wonder how
interesting the group remains when it is "ALL-Michael-and-Perer-ALL-
the-time"?

Peter Stewart

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 13:57:12

"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175079683.347393.243930@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little time
to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this group.
Upon doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including, origins of
American colonists"

Spot on, my ass. You've jammed the two phrases together, conveniently
for your interpretation. But, frankly, I don't need the aggravation
of being attacked for every little thing I post, and I have decided to
quit the newsgroup for good (like Chris Phillips). I wonder how
interesting the group remains when it is "ALL-Michael-and-Perer-ALL-
the-time"?

In case anyone who doesn't use Google is interested in the current month's
statistics to date given for SGM, the numbers for the ten most frequent
posters in March are as follows:

John Brandon 149
Peter Stewart 78
Michael Andrews-Reading 45
Will Johnson 44
Tim Powys-Lybbe 25
Leo van de Pas 18
John Ravilious 15
Paul Bulkley 13
James Cummings 10
Nat Taylor 9

So Michael and myself combined have posted less than John Brandon alone (123
vs 149), while the remaining seven have together posted more than the two of
us (134 vs 123).

If it had not been for the very tiresome threads contending against abuses,
Michael and I would have posted far less often, of course. So too would
Brandon, no doubt, but then he would still have been far more prolific of
posts - if not of information on-topic - than anyone else.

Total numbers for the ten most frequent posters over the whole period of
Google's count, presumably from just the latest email address(es) ascribed
to each individual, are as follows:

Todd Farmerie 5,736 (from two different addresses)
Douglas Richardson 4,473
Spencer Hines 4,468
Will Johnson 3,399
John Brandon 3,170
Peter Stewart 2,816
Paul Reed 2,574
Tim Powys-Lybbe 2,027
Leo van de Pas 1,997

From these figures for current participants I an confident that SGM will
never dwindle to a duologue between Michael and me, and since we don't
happen to share many research pursuits there would be two separate
monologues anyway - perish the thought.

Peter Stewart

Gjest

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 mar 2007 14:33:37

On Mar 28, 12:01 pm, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little time
to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this group.
Upon doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including origins of
American colonists"

Spot on, my ass.

Your haemorrhoids are of no interest here.

You've jammed the two phrases together, conveniently
for your interpretation.

On the contrary, I've "jammed together" two sub-clauses that
manifestly relate to one another in the original source, in a futile
attempt to make it harder for you to ignore their clear meaning.

But, frankly, I don't need the aggravation
of being attacked for every little thing I post, and I have decided to
quit the newsgroup for good

It's sad that, rather than be civil and on-topic, you should choose to
self-destruct, but that's your prerogative.

MA-R

Kadaitcha Man

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Kadaitcha Man » 30 mar 2007 10:38:41

mjcar@btinternet.com Thou serpent. Thou cutpurse. Thou caterpillar of
the commonwealth. A slave whose gall coins slanders like a mint. Ye
dirged:

On 28 Mrz., 00:54, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
One of those links you supplied actually says:

The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the time
period in question, including, but not limited to:

* royal and noble descents
* origins of American colonists
* feudal descent of property
* value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas)
* adoption of surnames and insignia by families
* source availability and reliability
* reviews and correction of published works.

And a more "open" interpretation of the phrase "origins of American
colonists" might even leave a little room for "colonists of no known
royal descent," I would think.

OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little time
to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this group.
Upon doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including, origins of
American colonists"

i.e. genealogical origins *in the time period in question* of American
colonists.

This manifestly does not include incessant clutter and trolling about
Londoners living in the 1690s, or about 18th century New Englanders,
when the obscure drivel presented has nothing to do with mediaeval
origins.

We can't stop the trolls who fling out the occasional rubbish about
pills or politics, but it is a shame that any regular poster should
continually treat the group as a toilet for their effluvia.

As has been kindly pointed out, there is a group designed for material
about these other matters, which are not on-topic here.

You don't like trolls, huh?

MA-R

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Cardinal Snarky of the Fa

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Cardinal Snarky of the Fa » 31 mar 2007 09:25:07

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:05:41 +0545, Kadaitcha Man sat in thee Comfee
Chaire, and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
mjcar@btinternet.com Thou serpent. Thou cutpurse. Thou caterpillar of the
commonwealth. A slave whose gall coins slanders like a mint. Ye dirged:
On 28 Mrz., 00:54, "John Brandon" wrote:
One of those links you supplied actually says:

The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the time
period in question, including, but not limited to:

* royal and noble descents
* origins of American colonists
* feudal descent of property
* value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas) * adoption of
surnames and insignia by families * source availability and reliability
* reviews and correction of published works.

And a more "open" interpretation of the phrase "origins of American
colonists" might even leave a little room for "colonists of no known
royal descent," I would think.

OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little time
to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this group. Upon
doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including, origins of
American colonists"

i.e. genealogical origins *in the time period in question* of American
colonists.

This manifestly does not include incessant clutter and trolling about
Londoners living in the 1690s, or about 18th century New Englanders,
when the obscure drivel presented has nothing to do with mediaeval
origins.

We can't stop the trolls who fling out the occasional rubbish about
pills or politics, but it is a shame that any regular poster should
continually treat the group as a toilet for their effluvia.

As has been kindly pointed out, there is a group designed for material
about these other matters, which are not on-topic here.

You don't like trolls, huh?

Will he vociferously, loudly and repeatedly declare his non-trollishness
as a usenetizen?

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Kadaitcha Man

Re: Fw: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary

Legg inn av Kadaitcha Man » 31 mar 2007 13:11:02

Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition <inquisition@smof.org> Thou
wicked varlet. Out of my door, you witch, you hag, you baggage, you
polecat, you ronyon! Thou mistress minion thou. Thou yeasty, half-faced
peevish baggage. Ye illumed:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:05:41 +0545, Kadaitcha Man sat in thee Comfee
Chaire, and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
mjcar@btinternet.com Thou serpent. Thou cutpurse. Thou caterpillar
of the commonwealth. A slave whose gall coins slanders like a mint.
Ye dirged:
On 28 Mrz., 00:54, "John Brandon" wrote:
One of those links you supplied actually says:

The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the
time period in question, including, but not limited to:

* royal and noble descents
* origins of American colonists
* feudal descent of property
* value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas) * adoption of
surnames and insignia by families * source availability and
reliability * reviews and correction of published works.

And a more "open" interpretation of the phrase "origins of American
colonists" might even leave a little room for "colonists of no
known royal descent," I would think.

OK, as you are sadly determined to be obtuse, let's take a little
time to consider the relevant extract defining the role of this
group. Upon doing so, we find that John Higgins is spot on; it
reads thus:

"the genealogy in the time period in question, including, origins of
American colonists"

i.e. genealogical origins *in the time period in question* of
American colonists.

This manifestly does not include incessant clutter and trolling
about Londoners living in the 1690s, or about 18th century New
Englanders, when the obscure drivel presented has nothing to do
with mediaeval origins.

We can't stop the trolls who fling out the occasional rubbish about
pills or politics, but it is a shame that any regular poster should
continually treat the group as a toilet for their effluvia.

As has been kindly pointed out, there is a group designed for
material about these other matters, which are not on-topic here.

You don't like trolls, huh?

Will he vociferously, loudly and repeatedly declare his
non-trollishness as a usenetizen?

I might've scared him away so I doubt he'll even reply.

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"We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us."
Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129]

Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook,
Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.

Vescere puter subgalia meis.

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