Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Latham

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Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 mar 2007 21:52:10

On 27 Mrz., 16:31, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The will of Cary's sister Elizabeth (Latham) Kent mentions her cousin
Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter.


(snip of unexplained links that don't work)

What precisely is mediaeval about the English mason Jasper Latham, ff
1690?

pj.evans

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av pj.evans » 27 mar 2007 22:08:36

On Mar 27, 1:52 pm, m...@btinternet.com wrote:
On 27 Mrz., 16:31, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The will of Cary's sister Elizabeth (Latham) Kent mentions her cousin
Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter.

(snip of unexplained links that don't work)

What precisely is mediaeval about the English mason Jasper Latham, ff
1690?

The first link is to NEHGR (1893, p413) via Google Books. I'm not
finding the others.

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 mar 2007 22:20:10

What precisely is mediaeval about the English mason Jasper Latham, ff
1690?

You're just now figuring out that I don't always post on medieval
topics? Wow, you're slow ...

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 27 mar 2007 22:56:48

"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175030410.955198.44440@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
What precisely is mediaeval about the English mason Jasper Latham, ff
1690?

You're just now figuring out that I don't always post on medieval
topics? Wow, you're slow ...

And Brandon hasn't yet figured out that no-one here is intested in helping
him or answering his questions such as about the word "cedaction"? Golly....

Brandon, as we know too well, is one of those like Bulkley and Richardson
who use and abuse SGM for their own purposes, with no intention of behaving
responsibly, collegially or helpfully except - very rarely - from ulterior
motives.

Outspoken censure might not succeed in tempering their attitudes, but it is
certain that nothing else will. Clearly from their defensive responses it
does affect them. I cannot understand why we don't see more of it, from more
people. Maybe this newsgroup should start discussing the genealogy of
ostriches.

Peter Stewart

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 mar 2007 23:07:24

Brandon, as we know too well, is one of those like Bulkley and Richardson
who use and abuse SGM for their own purposes, with no intention of behaving
responsibly, collegially or helpfully except - very rarely - from ulterior
motives.

I think you may have succeeded in driving Douglas away, as you did
Chris Phillips in the past. Be careful how many you and your friend
Michael attempt to force out--the group is already seriously
dwindling. Soon you may have complete adulation and aprobation ...
from ten list members.

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 27 mar 2007 23:30:13

"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175033244.410600.269640@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Brandon, as we know too well, is one of those like Bulkley and Richardson
who use and abuse SGM for their own purposes, with no intention of
behaving
responsibly, collegially or helpfully except - very rarely - from
ulterior
motives.

I think you may have succeeded in driving Douglas away, as you did
Chris Phillips in the past. Be careful how many you and your friend
Michael attempt to force out--the group is already seriously
dwindling. Soon you may have complete adulation and aprobation ...
from ten list members.

Um, Michael and I can't have "complete adulation" while we are here, since
neither of us regards himself or the other in this way.

The purpose of this newsgroup is to share information, not approbation.

If Richardson has really left (fingers crossed) it is because he embarrassed
himself once too often, and because he has found he can benefit just as much
from reading the posts without also making a fool of himself by
participating.

Chris Phillips is equally free to post at any time, but obviously if he does
he won't escape the demand that he should report the answer he promised us
from Charles Cawley. He has argued with me in the past, delivering as well
as receiving criticism, and patently he could do so again if other
considerations were not more weighty.

This group would lose nothing at all of substance by your departure, or
Bulkely's for that matter. You could always start another focused on New
England & gateway ancestors. Despite the occasional call to keep these
subjects together with medieval genealogy, it is hardly onerous for
interested people to subscribe to two newsgroups with largely separate
discussions.

Peter Stewart

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 mar 2007 23:38:48

This group would lose nothing at all of substance by your departure, or
Bulkely's for that matter. You could always start another focused on New
England & gateway ancestors. Despite the occasional call to keep these
subjects together with medieval genealogy, it is hardly onerous for
interested people to subscribe to two newsgroups with largely separate
discussions.

Why should I bother about starting another group on gateway ancestors,
when they're allowed on this group? ... And even if they
weren't .... :-)

Gjest

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 mar 2007 23:44:50

On Mar 28, 12:07 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Brandon, as we know too well, is one of those like Bulkley and Richardson
who use and abuse SGM for their own purposes, with no intention of behaving
responsibly, collegially or helpfully except - very rarely - from ulterior
motives.

I think you may have succeeded in driving Douglas away, as you did
Chris Phillips in the past. Be careful how many you and your friend
Michael attempt to force out--the group is already seriously
dwindling. Soon you may have complete adulation and aprobation ...
from ten list members.

Ten list members making quality, relevant, on topic posts is
infinitely preferable to four hundred members making the type of often
inaccessible, off topic, boorish, gratuitously rude, and often
kindergarten standard posts such as you have been making recently.

It's becoming difficult to sort the wheat from your chaff. Give the
list a break. Take a long vacation.

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 mar 2007 23:47:17

It's becoming difficult to sort the wheat from your chaff. Give the
list a break. Take a long vacation.

Dream on, child.

And just who are you? PMS posting from another email address?

Gjest

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 mar 2007 23:59:01

On Mar 28, 12:47 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's becoming difficult to sort the wheat from your chaff. Give the
list a break. Take a long vacation.

Dream on, child.

And just who are you? PMS posting from another email address?

I don't think that PS needs to hide behind a French email address to
make his point. You are more than capable of doing that for him. I'm
just a reader who is totally turned off by your behaviour that would
not be tolerated in my seven year old son's junior school

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 00:06:31

On Mar 27, 6:59 pm, david11000ca...@yahoo.fr wrote:
On Mar 28, 12:47 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's becoming difficult to sort the wheat from your chaff. Give the
list a break. Take a long vacation.

Dream on, child.

And just who are you? PMS posting from another email address?

I don't think that PS needs to hide behind a French email address to
make his point. You are more than capable of doing that for him. I'm
just a reader who is totally turned off by your behaviour that would
not be tolerated in my seven year old son's junior school

It's just words, there's no "behavior" involved. I'm quite mild and
pleasant in person.

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 00:41:37

On Mar 28, 8:38 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This group would lose nothing at all of substance by your departure, or
Bulkely's for that matter. You could always start another focused on New
England & gateway ancestors. Despite the occasional call to keep these
subjects together with medieval genealogy, it is hardly onerous for
interested people to subscribe to two newsgroups with largely separate
discussions.

Why should I bother about starting another group on gateway ancestors,
when they're allowed on this group? ... And even if they
weren't .... :-)

So you don't care what subjects are and what are not allowed on this
group - but yet you threaten it will be left to Michael and me, who
will certaily stick to medieval genealogy once the nuisances revove
themselves.

As said before, you plainly don't trouble yourself over who is or who
is not a gateway ancestor.

The FAQ posted from time to time by Don Stone states:

"soc.genealogy.medieval is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of genealogy and family history among people researching individuals
who lived
in medieval times. The primary focus of the group is likely to be on
Europe
and neighboring regions, but postings about genealogy in other areas
during
this time period are welcomed....The medieval period is loosely
defined for the purposes of this group as the period extending from
the breakup of the (Western) Roman Empire until the time public
records (such as church, tax, and census records) relating to the
general population began to be kept. This period would extend
roughly from AD 500 to AD 1600, but these limits are not intended to
exclude related topics of discussion lying outside of these
boundaries, e.g., royal or noble genealogy in earlier or later time
periods."

Any and every dim body who happened to live in New England, or to be
related to/descended from someone who did, cannot be considered on-
topic just for that reason. You say you don't "always" post on
medieval genealogy, but as far as I can recall you virtually _never_
do so.

You don't need to bother starting another newsgroup, you could simply
announce that you are moving to a less inappropriate forum for your
modern interests - alt.genealogy, say - and see if you have readers
who can be bothered following. If you do, maybe they will have the
nous to read posts in both newsgroups if they are also intested in the
medieval era.

Peter Stewart

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 00:46:52

On Mar 28, 9:06 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 27, 6:59 pm, david11000ca...@yahoo.fr wrote:

On Mar 28, 12:47 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's becoming difficult to sort the wheat from your chaff. Give the
list a break. Take a long vacation.

Dream on, child.

And just who are you? PMS posting from another email address?

I don't think that PS needs to hide behind a French email address to
make his point. You are more than capable of doing that for him. I'm
just a reader who is totally turned off by your behaviour that would
not be tolerated in my seven year old son's junior school

It's just words, there's no "behavior" involved. I'm quite mild and
pleasant in person.

"Behaviour" is not just about actions in person, the word is also a
synonym for "conduct" that obviously includes Brandon's vicious,
gratuitous remarks and pointless, misdirected insults.

Peter Stewart

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 00:55:51

"Behaviour" is not just about actions in person, the word is also a
synonym for "conduct" that obviously includes Brandon's vicious,
gratuitous remarks and pointless, misdirected insults.

Peter Stewart

If pointless and misdirected, how can they actually be vicious?
Getting carried away with your own over-the-top rhetoric, Peter?

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 01:04:17

On Mar 28, 9:55 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Behaviour" is not just about actions in person, the word is also a
synonym for "conduct" that obviously includes Brandon's vicious,
gratuitous remarks and pointless, misdirected insults.

Peter Stewart

If pointless and misdirected, how can they actually be vicious?
Getting carried away with your own over-the-top rhetoric, Peter?

Do you not even understand the conjunction "and"? I wrote "vicious,
gratuitous remarks and pointless, misdirected insults" - i.e. two
distinct categories of folly.

There are many more, of course.

Peter Stewart

John Brandon

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 mar 2007 01:21:17

Do you not even understand the conjunction "and"? I wrote "vicious,
gratuitous remarks and pointless, misdirected insults" - i.e. two
distinct categories of folly.

So some of my "remarks" are actually damaging, though my "insults" are
weak and of no effect? Sounds like more sophistry of the hair-
splitting kind you usually employ. "I'll mis-characterize and
travesty what the other has said; then smoothly present the travestied
sentiments in a plausible form that will be hard to rebut." You're
really not very honest.

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 01:39:28

On Mar 28, 10:21 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Do you not even understand the conjunction "and"? I wrote "vicious,
gratuitous remarks and pointless, misdirected insults" - i.e. two
distinct categories of folly.

So some of my "remarks" are actually damaging, though my "insults" are
weak and of no effect? Sounds like more sophistry of the hair-
splitting kind you usually employ. "I'll mis-characterize and
travesty what the other has said; then smoothly present the travestied
sentiments in a plausible form that will be hard to rebut." You're
really not very honest.

What are you on about?

Everybody here can affirm that you make vicious, gratuitous remarks
AND pointless, misdirected insults. If you doubt this, ask the
readers.

The fact that you misread a simple sentence of mine doesn't give rise
to a valid accusation of dishonesty against me, even in Brandonspeak.

When you know you are making it up as you go along, why not stop?
People here can assess not only your conduct but also your
intelligence and self-awareness.

Are you aiming to take over Richardson's role as the newsgroup's chief
resident fool? If so, be warned - your lack of brainpower may qualify
you for that, but you don't have a hide nearly tough enough.

Peter Stewart

norenxaq

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av norenxaq » 28 mar 2007 07:07:18

John Brandon wrote:

This group would lose nothing at all of substance by your departure, or
Bulkely's for that matter. You could always start another focused on New
England & gateway ancestors. Despite the occasional call to keep these
subjects together with medieval genealogy, it is hardly onerous for
interested people to subscribe to two newsgroups with largely separate
discussions.



Why should I bother about starting another group on gateway ancestors,
when they're allowed on this group? ... And even if they
weren't .... :-)




there already is a group for these people at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/early_modern_genealogy.

anyone interested is invited to join

Peter Stewart

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 mar 2007 07:16:46

On Mar 28, 4:07 pm, norenxaq <noren...@san.rr.com> wrote:
John Brandon wrote:
This group would lose nothing at all of substance by your departure, or
Bulkely's for that matter. You could always start another focused on New
England & gateway ancestors. Despite the occasional call to keep these
subjects together with medieval genealogy, it is hardly onerous for
interested people to subscribe to two newsgroups with largely separate
discussions.

Why should I bother about starting another group on gateway ancestors,
when they're allowed on this group? ... And even if they
weren't .... :-)

there already is a group for these people at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/early_modern_genealogy.

anyone interested is invited to join-

Bingo! Though I wouldn't wish Brandon on them....and of course he
won't join anyway, because he enjoys plaguing SGM too much and - due
to the lack of reproofs from our silent cohort - he still imagines his
work if not his manners to be well regarded here.

Peter Stewart

Robert O'Connor

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Robert O'Connor » 28 mar 2007 09:17:59

"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175030410.955198.44440@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
What precisely is mediaeval about the English mason Jasper Latham, ff
1690?

You're just now figuring out that I don't always post on medieval
topics? Wow, you're slow ...


To be honest, I don't think you've ever posted on medieval topics?

It also appears to have escaped your America-centric world view that many,
if not most, posters to SGM are neither American nor have any interest in
seventeenth American colonists and their origins.

Your posts on seventeenth century American colonials are irrelevant to this
group and are, frankly, an irritant.

Please take yourself and your posts to another forum.

Robert O'Connor
New Zealand

Gjest

Re: Jesper Latham of London, stonecutter (cousin of Cary Lat

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 mar 2007 10:37:50

On Mar 28, 7:07 am, norenxaq <noren...@san.rr.com> wrote:
John Brandon wrote:

Why should I bother about starting another group on gateway ancestors,
when they're allowed on this group? ... And even if they
weren't .... :-)

there already is a group for these people at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/early_modern_genealogy.

anyone interested is invited to join

Thank you for pointing this out this very useful fact. And thanks
also to David and Robert for taking the trouble to support the proper
function of this group. I too am naturally reluctant to engage with
the "mild and pleasant" Mr Brandon, but I have been reminded that
turning a blind eye and holding one's nose did not clean up the Augean
stables. Perhaps regular "mild and pleasant" reminders will encourage
him to turn his talents to on-topic purposes, and allow us all to
focus on the real reasons that we come here.

MA-R

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