John Somer (clericus) and John Somer de St Margett

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John Somer (clericus) and John Somer de St Margett

Legg inn av John Matthews » 19 mar 2007 07:29:40

Last year, John Brandon asked the following in relation to the
pedigrees in the visitation of Kent.

Page 55 has a Somer family that may be connected, as well.

Is the John Somer "de St. Margett" on p. 55 any relation of the one on
p. 21, "de S. Margetts Clericus," whose daughter was the wife of Sir
Alexander Temple?

British History on line has The History and Topographical Survey of
the County of Kent: Volume 4 by Edward Hasted. (http://www.british-
history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=53795) Although this (incorrectly)
gives the grandfather of Mary Somer as William, it does give a
plausible link between the two Johns. Apparently, a Jeffry Somer had 2
sons - William (later Sir William) and Thomas. Thomas was "of Halsted"
and was the grandfather of Mary. William was the father of the other
John Somer.

Their mutual ancestor (Jeffry) is said to be descended from another
John Somer who was said to be a chancellor of the exchequer under
Henry VI. He in turn is said to be descended from a Richard le Somer
who died in 1347.

John Matthews

John Matthews

Re: John Somer (clericus) and John Somer de St Margett

Legg inn av John Matthews » 19 mar 2007 09:17:30

The incorrect link from William Somer to Mary Somer mentioned above
also appears in the visitation of Kent. However, the will of John
Somer which can be downloaded from the National Archives is quite
clear. He states that he is the son of Thomas Somer of Halstowe and
mentions his wife - Martina - and his daughters - Mary and Francisca.
He further mentions that he is living in St Margaret's Rochester and
that he has a brother William whose second son is named John.

The arms given on page 55 of the visitation differ from those on page
21 by the addition of "a mullet or". This could be a cadency mark
indicating a third son. Perhaps Jeffry (Galfridus) had three sons, of
whom Thomas was the oldest and William the third. This would explain
why the property in St Mary's Hoo, named Newlands descended to John
son of Thomas rather than John son of William.

Incidentaly, there was a typo in the above post - Thomas was "of
Halstow" not of "Halsted".

John Matthews

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