Katherine Carey Knollys - Henry VIII's daughter: new evidenc

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Tony Hoskins

Katherine Carey Knollys - Henry VIII's daughter: new evidenc

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 17 mar 2007 01:35:58

Ten years after the publication of my article, “Mary Boleyn’s Carey
Children: Offspring of King Henry VIII?” _The Genealogists’
Magazine_ (London), Vol. 25 (March 1997), this recent article has come
to my attention.

Sally Varlow, "Sir Francis Knollys's Latin dictionary: new evidence for
Katherine Carey," (Institute of Historical Research, 9600 Garsington
Road, Oxford Road, Oxford, OX4 2DQ, UK)

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/fu ... 06.00400.x

Click on "Full Text PDF".

In addition, this might also be a good moment to introduce a rather
telling letter wriitten in 1536 by Reginald Cardinal Pole, which I
discovered several years after my article was published:

_Tudor Dynastic Problems, 1460-1571_
(Historical Problems: studies and documents, vol. 21. G.R. Elton, ed.
1973), p. 154.

18. Reginald Pole on Henry VIII’s Divorce (1536).

From T.E. Bridgett, The Life of St John Fisher, 4th ed., London, 1922,
p. 148.


"At your age of life, with all your experience of the world, you were
enslaved by your passion for a girl. But she would not give you your
will unless you rejected your wife, whose place she longed to take. The
modest woman would not be your mistress; no, but she would be your wife.
She had learned, I think, if from nothing else, at least from the
example of her own sister, how soon you got tired of your mistresses;
and she resolved to surpass her sister in retaining you as her lover….
Now what sort of person is it whom you have put in place of your
divorced wife? Is she not the sister of her whom first you violated and
for a long time after kept as your concubine? She certainly is. How is
it, then, that you now tell us of the horror you have of illicit
marriage? Are you ignorant of the law which certainly no less prohibits
marriage with the sister of one with whom you have become one flesh,
than with one with whom your brother was one flesh? If the one kind of
marriage is detestable, so is the other. How do I prove that? Because,
at the very time that you were rejecting your brother’s widow, you
were doing your very utmost to get leave from the Pope to marry the
sister of your former concubine."
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Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Katherine Carey Knollys - Henry VIII's daughter: new evi

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 17 mar 2007 02:07:36

In article <mailman.253.1174091799.3661.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>,
"Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote:

Ten years after the publication of my article, 'Mary Boleyn’s Carey
Children: Offspring of King Henry VIII?' _The Genealogists'
Magazine_ (London), Vol. 25 (March 1997), this recent article has come
to my attention.

Sally Varlow, "Sir Francis Knollys's Latin dictionary: new evidence for
Katherine Carey," (Institute of Historical Research, 9600 Garsington
Road, Oxford Road, Oxford, OX4 2DQ, UK)

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/fu ... 06.00400.x

Click on "Full Text PDF".

Tony, thanks for pointing out this interesting piece. In addition to
the great 'family register' put into a dictionary of all places, the
discussion of the ambiguity of memorial images enumerating male and
female children is also worthwhile: this subject has been discussed here
(and I recall some involved conversations about this with Marshall
Kirk), and as we see here can have bearing on a genealogical argument
hinging on the number, gender and survival rate of a family's children.

The evidence is still not conclusive, but this one gets a 'definite
maybe', which pushes it well into the ranks of the more interesting
(provisional) royal descents.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

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