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Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO- Diogo Afonso FIGUEIREDO

Legg inn av mep33 » 14 mar 2007 16:56:14

Need an expert in Portuguese genealogy to tell me which of these
gentlemen married Dona Constanca Rodrigues PEREIRA? Or are these
gentlemen one and the same?

While reaserching my husband's PEREIRA line I found D. Constanca
RODRIGUES PEREIRA daughter of D. Rui Vaques PEREIRA and wife D. Maria
de BERREDO married to Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO per Genea Portugal.
Their children as follows:
Filhos


Aires Gonçalves de Figueiredo * c. 1345 cc D. Leonor Pereira
D. Gonçalo de Figueiredo, bispo de Viseu * c. 1350
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
Isabel de Figueiredo * c. 1350 cc Lopo Mendes de Vasconcelos
Martim Lourenço de Figueiredo * c. 1355 cc Isabel Cerveira de Melo
Senhorinha Rodrigues de Figueiredo *

This appeared confirmed by the following:
Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (Pedatura Lusitana ,I, 2º, pág.s
330,338,342 e Gayo, XIV, pág.s 100,107,108), Alcaide-Mor do Castelo da
Feira e Senhor do Julgado do Bouga, por mercê de El-Rei D. Fernando de
3-III-1367("Acerca de uma família...",p.33.) casou com D. Constanca
Ruiz de Pereira:

While viewing past messages on this group I also found this from Leo
van de Pas [ dated 7 March 2002] ]which reads in part:
24.Maria Goncalves de Briteiros
married Rui Vas Pereira, lord of Calheiro de Maceiro

*23.Constanca Rodrigues Pereira
Lady of Acurara
married Diefo Affonso de Figueiredo
Lord of Quinta de Sao Andre

***22.Maria Pires de Figueredo
married Alvaro Gil Cabral, died 1433

Genea Portugal does not list a daughter, Maria Pires de FIGUEIREDO for
Goncalo and Constanca.
The information I have lists Maria Anes LOUREIRO as the wife of Alvaro
Gil CABRAL and gives her father as Diego Afonso FIGUEIREDO Senhor da
quinta de Santo Andre



Is there anyone who can help me identify which FIGUEIREDO is the
father of the wife of Alvaro Gil CABRAL?
Thank you

Marge Perry

Francisco Tavares de Alme

Re: Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO- Diogo Afonso FIGUEIREDO

Legg inn av Francisco Tavares de Alme » 18 mar 2007 01:29:16

Dear Marge,

As far as I know there are not better sources for Gonçalo Garcia de
Figueiredo and Dona Constança Rodrigues (same as Roiz) Pereira, but
both have their fair account of errors.

As you may have noticed Genea Portugal on Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
has a note "cs" which means he had children probably mentioned but not
listed in PL and Gayo.
So he may well be the father of Maria Pires de Figueiredo who could be
a natural daughter but I do not recall any lord of Quinta de Santo
André. I will put the question in a portuguese list and let you know
the results if any.

The msg of Leo van de Pas was from an argentinian source that I know
nothing about but unless it explicitly identifies another portuguese
source I would discharge it against Gayo and PL.

The only Maria Anes de Loureiro that I could find was married to Gil
Álvares de Carvalho.

Best regards,
Francisco


mep33 escreveu:
Need an expert in Portuguese genealogy to tell me which of these
gentlemen married Dona Constanca Rodrigues PEREIRA? Or are these
gentlemen one and the same?

While reaserching my husband's PEREIRA line I found D. Constanca
RODRIGUES PEREIRA daughter of D. Rui Vaques PEREIRA and wife D. Maria
de BERREDO married to Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO per Genea Portugal.
Their children as follows:
Filhos


Aires Gonçalves de Figueiredo * c. 1345 cc D. Leonor Pereira
D. Gonçalo de Figueiredo, bispo de Viseu * c. 1350
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
Isabel de Figueiredo * c. 1350 cc Lopo Mendes de Vasconcelos
Martim Lourenço de Figueiredo * c. 1355 cc Isabel Cerveira de Melo
Senhorinha Rodrigues de Figueiredo *

This appeared confirmed by the following:
Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (Pedatura Lusitana ,I, 2º, pág.s
330,338,342 e Gayo, XIV, pág.s 100,107,108), Alcaide-Mor do Castelo da
Feira e Senhor do Julgado do Bouga, por mercê de El-Rei D. Fernando de
3-III-1367("Acerca de uma família...",p.33.) casou com D. Constanca
Ruiz de Pereira:

While viewing past messages on this group I also found this from Leo
van de Pas [ dated 7 March 2002] ]which reads in part:
24.Maria Goncalves de Briteiros
married Rui Vas Pereira, lord of Calheiro de Maceiro

*23.Constanca Rodrigues Pereira
Lady of Acurara
married Diefo Affonso de Figueiredo
Lord of Quinta de Sao Andre

***22.Maria Pires de Figueredo
married Alvaro Gil Cabral, died 1433

Genea Portugal does not list a daughter, Maria Pires de FIGUEIREDO for
Goncalo and Constanca.
The information I have lists Maria Anes LOUREIRO as the wife of Alvaro
Gil CABRAL and gives her father as Diego Afonso FIGUEIREDO Senhor da
quinta de Santo Andre



Is there anyone who can help me identify which FIGUEIREDO is the
father of the wife of Alvaro Gil CABRAL?
Thank you

Marge Perry

mep33

Re: Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO- Diogo Afonso FIGUEIREDO

Legg inn av mep33 » 18 mar 2007 03:27:37

On Mar 17, 5:29 pm, "Francisco Tavares de Almeida"
<francisco.tavaresdealme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Marge,

As far as I know there are not better sources for Gonçalo Garcia de
Figueiredo and Dona Constança Rodrigues (same as Roiz) Pereira, but
both have their fair account of errors.

As you may have noticed Genea Portugal on Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
has a note "cs" which means he had children probably mentioned but not
listed in PL and Gayo.
So he may well be the father of Maria Pires de Figueiredo who could be
a natural daughter but I do not recall any lord of Quinta de Santo
André. I will put the question in a portuguese list and let you know
the results if any.

The msg of Leo van de Pas was from an argentinian source that I know
nothing about but unless it explicitly identifies another portuguese
source I would discharge it against Gayo and PL.

The only Maria Anes de Loureiro that I could find was married to Gil
Álvares de Carvalho.

Best regards,
Francisco

mep33 escreveu:



Need an expert in Portuguese genealogy to tell me which of these
gentlemen married Dona Constanca Rodrigues PEREIRA? Or are these
gentlemen one and the same?

While reaserching my husband's PEREIRA line I found D. Constanca
RODRIGUES PEREIRA daughter of D. Rui Vaques PEREIRA and wife D. Maria
de BERREDO married to Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO per Genea Portugal.
Their children as follows:
Filhos

Aires Gonçalves de Figueiredo * c. 1345 cc D. Leonor Pereira
D. Gonçalo de Figueiredo, bispo de Viseu * c. 1350
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
Isabel de Figueiredo * c. 1350 cc Lopo Mendes de Vasconcelos
Martim Lourenço de Figueiredo * c. 1355 cc Isabel Cerveira de Melo
Senhorinha Rodrigues de Figueiredo *

This appeared confirmed by the following:
Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (Pedatura Lusitana ,I, 2º, pág.s
330,338,342 e Gayo, XIV, pág.s 100,107,108), Alcaide-Mor do Castelo da
Feira e Senhor do Julgado do Bouga, por mercê de El-Rei D. Fernando de
3-III-1367("Acerca de uma família...",p.33.) casou com D. Constanca
Ruiz de Pereira:

While viewing past messages on this group I also found this from Leo
van de Pas [ dated 7 March 2002] ]which reads in part:
24.Maria Goncalves de Briteiros
married Rui Vas Pereira, lord of Calheiro de Maceiro

*23.Constanca Rodrigues Pereira
Lady of Acurara
married Diefo Affonso de Figueiredo
Lord of Quinta de Sao Andre

***22.Maria Pires de Figueredo
married Alvaro Gil Cabral, died 1433

Genea Portugal does not list a daughter, Maria Pires de FIGUEIREDO for
Goncalo and Constanca.
The information I have lists Maria Anes LOUREIRO as the wife of Alvaro
Gil CABRAL and gives her father as Diego Afonso FIGUEIREDO Senhor da
quinta de Santo Andre

Is there anyone who can help me identify which FIGUEIREDO is the
father of the wife of Alvaro Gil CABRAL?
Thank you

Marge Perry- Hide quoted text -

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Francisco

Thank you so very much for your very kind assist.
Marge Perry

Francisco Tavares de Alme

Re: Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO- Diogo Afonso FIGUEIREDO

Legg inn av Francisco Tavares de Alme » 18 mar 2007 14:16:04

Dear Marge,

There are 4 Constança Rodrigues de Figueiredo in that epoch, 3 of them
with the title Dona, and Gayo (Genea Portugal's main source) has
contradictions in captions Figueiredo, Cabral and Pereira. So the
whole is not clear.

Thanks to Miguel Gorjão-Henriques who answered in Portugal-Gen:

1. Álvaro Gil Cabral
Alcaide-mór (grand alcayde) de Guarda, senhor de juro e herdade
(hereditary lord) of Zurara (mercy of 27.3.1384) etc., "terá
casado" (would have married) with NN... daughter of Diogo Afonso de
Figueiredo, senhor da Quinta de Santo André (mercy of 3.12.1379) and
his wife Constança Rodrigues Pereira, presumably grand daugther of
Afonso Vasques de Figueiredo. Others say that [Álvaro Gil Cabral] was
married with Maria (or Catarina) Aires de Loureiro, from Silgueiros.
Children;
a) Luís Álvares Cabral;
b) D. Catarina Gil Cabral, m. Álvaro Gonçalves Peixoto;
c) Maria Álvares Cabral, m. Fernão Velho, alcayde of Veleda.

2. Dona Constança Rodrigues Pereira
Daugther of D. Rui Pereira (or D. Rui Gonçalves Pereira) and his wife
Violante Lopes Soares, daugther of Lopo Soares de Albergaria, 9. lord
of Albergaria de Paio Delgado,
married twice. First with Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo, lord of Santo
André, son of Afonso Vasques de Figueiredo (caption Cabral). Second
with Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (caption Figueiredo)
Notes:
1. Documents of the Chancellery of King D. João I attest without doubt
the two marriages but not Constança's parentage.
2. Gayo VII-18, seems to confound her with the Constança daughter of
Rui VASQUES Pereira, but gives her another parentage in III-160.

Miguel Gorjão-Henriques's data is published in his own book but,
beeing this families marginal for his work he did not checked all the
possible sources. I think that Manuel Abranches de Soveral who
occasionally follows Portugal-Gen has a work on Pereiras so new inputs
are possible.

Best regards,
Francisco


mep33 escreveu:
Need an expert in Portuguese genealogy to tell me which of these
gentlemen married Dona Constanca Rodrigues PEREIRA? Or are these
gentlemen one and the same?

While reaserching my husband's PEREIRA line I found D. Constanca
RODRIGUES PEREIRA daughter of D. Rui Vaques PEREIRA and wife D. Maria
de BERREDO married to Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO per Genea Portugal.
Their children as follows:
Filhos


Aires Gonçalves de Figueiredo * c. 1345 cc D. Leonor Pereira
D. Gonçalo de Figueiredo, bispo de Viseu * c. 1350
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
Isabel de Figueiredo * c. 1350 cc Lopo Mendes de Vasconcelos
Martim Lourenço de Figueiredo * c. 1355 cc Isabel Cerveira de Melo
Senhorinha Rodrigues de Figueiredo *

This appeared confirmed by the following:
Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (Pedatura Lusitana ,I, 2º, pág.s
330,338,342 e Gayo, XIV, pág.s 100,107,108), Alcaide-Mor do Castelo da
Feira e Senhor do Julgado do Bouga, por mercê de El-Rei D. Fernando de
3-III-1367("Acerca de uma família...",p.33.) casou com D. Constanca
Ruiz de Pereira:

While viewing past messages on this group I also found this from Leo
van de Pas [ dated 7 March 2002] ]which reads in part:
24.Maria Goncalves de Briteiros
married Rui Vas Pereira, lord of Calheiro de Maceiro

*23.Constanca Rodrigues Pereira
Lady of Acurara
married Diefo Affonso de Figueiredo
Lord of Quinta de Sao Andre

***22.Maria Pires de Figueredo
married Alvaro Gil Cabral, died 1433

Genea Portugal does not list a daughter, Maria Pires de FIGUEIREDO for
Goncalo and Constanca.
The information I have lists Maria Anes LOUREIRO as the wife of Alvaro
Gil CABRAL and gives her father as Diego Afonso FIGUEIREDO Senhor da
quinta de Santo Andre



Is there anyone who can help me identify which FIGUEIREDO is the
father of the wife of Alvaro Gil CABRAL?
Thank you

Marge Perry

Francisco Tavares de Alme

Re: Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO- Diogo Afonso FIGUEIREDO

Legg inn av Francisco Tavares de Alme » 18 mar 2007 19:58:12

Dear Marge,

As I suspected Dr. Manuel Abranches de Soveral knew something about
it. Not pleasant news I am afraid. The whole is published in
"Ascendências Viseenses".

As also stated before by Luiz de Mello Vaz de São-Payo - one of the
most reputed portuguese genealogists - Constança Rodrigues Pereira had
no children from both her marriages to Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo
and Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo. She was still single in 1365 when she
appears in a list of "comedorias" of the convent of Grijó. Probably
got married that same year or the next one to Gonçalo Garcia de
Figueiredo, beeing already a widow in 20.5.1378 when she received the
benefits? of Quebradas and Mourinho in the lands of Feira,
She married later Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo before 3.12.1379 when
this last one received the Quinta de Santo André that was before of
Gonçalo Garcia and the other revenues of Constança.
Diogo was already dead in 24.3.1384 when Constança, his widow,
received the confirmations for the aforesaid Quinta and revenues.
Constança Rodrigues Pereira was daugther of Rui Gonçalves Pereira,
lord of Couto de Covelas (1347) a natural son legitimated 8.8.1312 and
his wife Beringela Nunes Barreto.
In spite of both beeing Figueiredo, Gonçalo Garcia and Diogo Afonso
were not related, the first beeing from a galician branch of the
Figueroa family, and Diogo Afonso from a branch of the Alvellos, that
took the name of Figueiredo when they became lords of Figueiredo de
Alva.
Both, Gonçalo Garcia and Diogo Afonso had children from their previous
marriages.

According to Dr. Manuel Abranches de Soveral, Álvaro Gil Cabral, 1st
lord of Zurara, married Catarina Anes (de Loureiro) a sister of João
Anes de Loureiro who married Catarina Dias de Figueiredo, a daugther
of Diogo Afonso's first marriage.

You will find the Loureiro in Genea Portugal
http://genealogia.netopia.pt/pessoas/pe ... ?id=116867 but only
the father and grandfather's name and nothing more. The (title/
caption?) Loureiro in Gayo is in vol. VI, pag. 465.

Best regards,
Francisco





mep33 escreveu:
Need an expert in Portuguese genealogy to tell me which of these
gentlemen married Dona Constanca Rodrigues PEREIRA? Or are these
gentlemen one and the same?

While reaserching my husband's PEREIRA line I found D. Constanca
RODRIGUES PEREIRA daughter of D. Rui Vaques PEREIRA and wife D. Maria
de BERREDO married to Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO per Genea Portugal.
Their children as follows:
Filhos


Aires Gonçalves de Figueiredo * c. 1345 cc D. Leonor Pereira
D. Gonçalo de Figueiredo, bispo de Viseu * c. 1350
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
Isabel de Figueiredo * c. 1350 cc Lopo Mendes de Vasconcelos
Martim Lourenço de Figueiredo * c. 1355 cc Isabel Cerveira de Melo
Senhorinha Rodrigues de Figueiredo *

This appeared confirmed by the following:
Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (Pedatura Lusitana ,I, 2º, pág.s
330,338,342 e Gayo, XIV, pág.s 100,107,108), Alcaide-Mor do Castelo da
Feira e Senhor do Julgado do Bouga, por mercê de El-Rei D. Fernando de
3-III-1367("Acerca de uma família...",p.33.) casou com D. Constanca
Ruiz de Pereira:

While viewing past messages on this group I also found this from Leo
van de Pas [ dated 7 March 2002] ]which reads in part:
24.Maria Goncalves de Briteiros
married Rui Vas Pereira, lord of Calheiro de Maceiro

*23.Constanca Rodrigues Pereira
Lady of Acurara
married Diefo Affonso de Figueiredo
Lord of Quinta de Sao Andre

***22.Maria Pires de Figueredo
married Alvaro Gil Cabral, died 1433

Genea Portugal does not list a daughter, Maria Pires de FIGUEIREDO for
Goncalo and Constanca.
The information I have lists Maria Anes LOUREIRO as the wife of Alvaro
Gil CABRAL and gives her father as Diego Afonso FIGUEIREDO Senhor da
quinta de Santo Andre



Is there anyone who can help me identify which FIGUEIREDO is the
father of the wife of Alvaro Gil CABRAL?
Thank you

Marge Perry

mep33

Re: Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO- Diogo Afonso FIGUEIREDO

Legg inn av mep33 » 18 mar 2007 20:25:43

On Mar 18, 11:58 am, "Francisco Tavares de Almeida"
<francisco.tavaresdealme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Marge,

As I suspected Dr. Manuel Abranches de Soveral knew something about
it. Not pleasant news I am afraid. The whole is published in
"Ascendências Viseenses".

As also stated before by Luiz de Mello Vaz de São-Payo - one of the
most reputed portuguese genealogists - Constança Rodrigues Pereira had
no children from both her marriages to Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo
and Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo. She was still single in 1365 when she
appears in a list of "comedorias" of the convent of Grijó. Probably
got married that same year or the next one to Gonçalo Garcia de
Figueiredo, beeing already a widow in 20.5.1378 when she received the
benefits? of Quebradas and Mourinho in the lands of Feira,
She married later Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo before 3.12.1379 when
this last one received the Quinta de Santo André that was before of
Gonçalo Garcia and the other revenues of Constança.
Diogo was already dead in 24.3.1384 when Constança, his widow,
received the confirmations for the aforesaid Quinta and revenues.
Constança Rodrigues Pereira was daugther of Rui Gonçalves Pereira,
lord of Couto de Covelas (1347) a natural son legitimated 8.8.1312 and
his wife Beringela Nunes Barreto.
In spite of both beeing Figueiredo, Gonçalo Garcia and Diogo Afonso
were not related, the first beeing from a galician branch of the
Figueroa family, and Diogo Afonso from a branch of the Alvellos, that
took the name of Figueiredo when they became lords of Figueiredo de
Alva.
Both, Gonçalo Garcia and Diogo Afonso had children from their previous
marriages.

According to Dr. Manuel Abranches de Soveral, Álvaro Gil Cabral, 1st
lord of Zurara, married Catarina Anes (de Loureiro) a sister of João
Anes de Loureiro who married Catarina Dias de Figueiredo, a daugther
of Diogo Afonso's first marriage.

You will find the Loureiro in Genea Portugalhttp://genealogia.netopia.pt/pe ... =116867but only
the father and grandfather's name and nothing more. The (title/
caption?) Loureiro in Gayo is in vol. VI, pag. 465.

Best regards,
Francisco

mep33 escreveu:



Need an expert in Portuguese genealogy to tell me which of these
gentlemen married Dona Constanca Rodrigues PEREIRA? Or are these
gentlemen one and the same?

While reaserching my husband's PEREIRA line I found D. Constanca
RODRIGUES PEREIRA daughter of D. Rui Vaques PEREIRA and wife D. Maria
de BERREDO married to Goncalo Garcia de FIGUEIREDO per Genea Portugal.
Their children as follows:
Filhos

Aires Gonçalves de Figueiredo * c. 1345 cc D. Leonor Pereira
D. Gonçalo de Figueiredo, bispo de Viseu * c. 1350
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo
Isabel de Figueiredo * c. 1350 cc Lopo Mendes de Vasconcelos
Martim Lourenço de Figueiredo * c. 1355 cc Isabel Cerveira de Melo
Senhorinha Rodrigues de Figueiredo *

This appeared confirmed by the following:
Gonçalo Garcia de Figueiredo (Pedatura Lusitana ,I, 2º, pág.s
330,338,342 e Gayo, XIV, pág.s 100,107,108), Alcaide-Mor do Castelo da
Feira e Senhor do Julgado do Bouga, por mercê de El-Rei D. Fernando de
3-III-1367("Acerca de uma família...",p.33.) casou com D. Constanca
Ruiz de Pereira:

While viewing past messages on this group I also found this from Leo
van de Pas [ dated 7 March 2002] ]which reads in part:
24.Maria Goncalves de Briteiros
married Rui Vas Pereira, lord of Calheiro de Maceiro

*23.Constanca Rodrigues Pereira
Lady of Acurara
married Diefo Affonso de Figueiredo
Lord of Quinta de Sao Andre

***22.Maria Pires de Figueredo
married Alvaro Gil Cabral, died 1433

Genea Portugal does not list a daughter, Maria Pires de FIGUEIREDO for
Goncalo and Constanca.
The information I have lists Maria Anes LOUREIRO as the wife of Alvaro
Gil CABRAL and gives her father as Diego Afonso FIGUEIREDO Senhor da
quinta de Santo Andre

Is there anyone who can help me identify which FIGUEIREDO is the
father of the wife of Alvaro Gil CABRAL?
Thank you

Marge Perry- Hide quoted text -

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Dear Francisco

Thank you for all your efforts even though the news is NOT GOOD!
On what a tangled web we weave!!
Need to recheck all my source material and delve into all this new
information,

Thank you

Marge

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