PROVENCE HISTORIQUE MARS AVril 2003
lol lots of possibilities
JL
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Subject: Re: Wife of Armegol III of Urgel
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In article <Tf6Ih.8996$8U4.481@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote:
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Aurell ("Jalons," 351-2; and _Noces_ in tables) gives *4* wives for
Ermengol III, based on contemporary documents:
1. Adalaidis. No information on maternity (assignment of 'Besalu' is
an
onomastic guess). Attested as his wife 1053 (LFM 147); other
attestations are on copies of charters whose dates appear incorrect.
I don't know why Aurell gave ca 1053 for LFM no. 147 where Adalez occurs
as
the wife of Ermengol III - the editor indicated ca 1050 for this, and in
fact the document must have been written before 29 June 1050 when Ramón
Berenguer I of Barcelona's first wife, Elisabet, died, since she is
named as
his countess.
Interesting; I don't have a full copy of LFM handy so didn't check the
original charters. Since this pushes back the attestation of Adalaide
to ca 1050, it makes it doubly clear that she preceded Clemence as wife
of Ermengol, contradicting Vajay's reordering of the wives. On broad
chronology Ermengol's daughter Elizabeth could I suppose have been by by
either wife.
Christian Settipani asserts that Clemence was the mother of Ermengol's
three younger sons - see _La noblesse du Midi carolingien..._ (Oxford,
2004) p. 148. However, he offers no source for the information. I have not
come across any evidence for their maternity, but this is not from
systematic research into the Urgel lineage.
Peter Stewart