umberto I Of SAVOY

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jlucsoler

umberto I Of SAVOY

Legg inn av jlucsoler » 11 mar 2007 03:45:21

can someone give me the different hypothesis about his origins and possible
ancestors

i am aware of the false "saxon" theory of the XVIII century and the
'carolingian theory" of Manteyer

but even if we can t know, even if it is better to keep Umberto as the top
of the tree, which are the most possible hypothesis

thanks

jls

Peter Stewart

Re: umberto I Of SAVOY

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 11 mar 2007 04:59:10

"jlucsoler" <jlucsoler@modulonet.fr> wrote in message
news:45f36d3d$0$3456$a3f2974a@nnrp1.numericable.fr...
can someone give me the different hypothesis about his origins and
possible ancestors

i am aware of the false "saxon" theory of the XVIII century and the
'carolingian theory" of Manteyer

but even if we can t know, even if it is better to keep Umberto as the top
of the tree, which are the most possible hypothesis

I wonder what kind of answer you can be hoping for - to the proponents of
each theory, their own is obviously the most plausible. Maybe you want to
hear which of them is, to each sceptic in the newsgroup, appears the least
implausible? That is clearly just as much a mater of opinion as the question
itself....

By the way, Manteyer derived the family from the male line of Garnier,
viscount of Sens & count of Troyes. Chaume agreed, giving a different
linkage within the same family. Maxime Reymond proposed a descent from the
Carolingian house of the counts of Vermandois, through Heribert II's son Odo
who is not known to have had any offspring.

For the very little it can be worth, the likeliest connection seems to me
with the Burgundian counts Amadeus and Humbert who together subscribed an
undated diploma of King Conrad III, probably ca 960 - this Humbert was
perhaps the count who subscribed a charter of Amalfred, a priest, for Cluny
in 976. But this does not help to connect the counts of Savoy to another
recognisable family, since we know nothing else to identify these men.

What is the problem with keeping Umberto I at the head of the line while
noting that his ancestry is uncertain?

Peter Stewart

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