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Vicki Perry

Coats of Arms

Legg inn av Vicki Perry » 09 mar 2007 15:34:09

Hi,

I was wondering what is the best way to find out the person to whom a coat
of arms was granted. I have a list from Burke's Armory of Perry/Pery Arms
that were granted (about 15 in total) but most of them don't say which
particular person the Arms were granted to, although I know one or two of
them. I have found one of the families in the Herald's visitations, but it
doesn't say to whom the arms were granted, is the earliest person in the
pedigree the original bearer of the arms? I realise I can apply to the
College of Arms, but I was hoping there would be a slightly more inexpensive
option!

Thanks

Vicki

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Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Coats of Arms

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 09 mar 2007 16:28:13

In message of 9 Mar, "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I was wondering what is the best way to find out the person to whom a coat
of arms was granted. I have a list from Burke's Armory of Perry/Pery Arms
that were granted (about 15 in total) but most of them don't say which
particular person the Arms were granted to, although I know one or two of
them.

Burke was not that particular. He did not worry about whether the arms
had been granted, his main criterion was whether the arms were used and
if so, he gave the name and the arms.

I have found one of the families in the Herald's visitations, but it
doesn't say to whom the arms were granted, is the earliest person in
the pedigree the original bearer of the arms?

No.

Some visitations, particularly the earlier ones, gave a long list of
ancestors for some families. This would have been produced on some
piece of paper and was not the result of the herald doing any research.
For some families these long pedigrees are very unreliable by comparison
with other surviving evidence.

Many of the later visitations confined their pedigrees to no further
back than the grandparents of the person interviewed. This was on the
basis that the armiger would have known at least his parents and
probably also his grandparents and very likely would have been correct
about the names of his grandparents. So those pedigrees certainly do
not start with any first grantee of arms.

In any case, grants are not well documented for before 1500 and many
families just assumed some arms or perhaps got some local heraldic
aficionado to design something for them. Perhaps this accounts for the
multiplicity of non-unique holding families for single sets of arms that
you can see in Fairburn's Ordinary of Arms.

I realise I can apply to the College of Arms, but I was hoping there
would be a slightly more inexpensive option!

Yes. Try:

Grantees of Arms to end 17th Cent, Harleian Soc LXVI, pub 1915

Grantees of Arms 1687-1898, A-J, Harleian Soc LXVII, pub 1916

Grantees of Arms 1687-1898, K-Z, Harleian Soc LXVIII, pub 1917

I am reasonably certain they are in the Society of Genealogists'
Library, http://www.sog.org.uk/sogcat/access/

They may be on Google Books.

They can be obtained on CD from ArchiveCDBooks:
http://www.archivecdbooks.org/

There are eight grants or suchlike entries to Perrys in the last of
these three volumes. And none in either of the other two volumes,
though the first has four grants to Parrys.

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