Hi newsgroup
This is my first post and, having read much of the archives, do so with some trepidation...! I have recently inherited a family tree and as it is seems very extensive am trying to prove/confirm as much as possible rather than taking it on face value. One of the links is to Robert fitzHarding, Merchant of Bristol (and as I am a Bristolian myself this is of particular interest) and possibly also to Robert, Earl of Robert (co-builder of Bristol Castle - so more local interest!)
The lineage in the chart shows Robert fitzHarding as being the grandson (or possibly great-grandson) of Eadnoth the Staller who performed some Royal duties for Edward the Confessor (possibly steward or constable?).
In the 1140's he (Robert fitzHarding) purchased the Manor of Bedminster from Robert the Earl of Gloucester (illegitimate son of Henry Beauclerc?). The Manor included the marshland in the bend of the river Avon on the southern side of the Bridge of Bristol and in this bit of land fitzHarding established/extended? the suburb of Redcliffe as a commercial rival to Bristol. Robert was also given the Manor of Billeswick (and other Berkeley lands) where he founded the Abbey of St Augustine - later Bristol Cathedral.
Meanwhiile the Norman castle of Bristol had been built by Bishop Geoffrey of Coutance but it's keep was greatly rebuilt/extended by Robert, Earl of Gloucester who kept every 10th stone from the keep for the building of St James's Priory where he was later buried.
Now, I will be grateful if anybody can point out any mistake I have made in the above passage (I have just purchased a large pad and some new pens!) but what I am really asking is the following;
There is a legend/myth in my family that just as my grandfather was baptised at St James and my grandmother was baptised at St Augustine's and married at St Mary Redcliffe, that a child or grandchild of Robert fitzHarding (founder of St Augustine) and a child or grandchild of Robert, Earl of Gloucester (founder of St James) were also married at St Mary Redcliffe. I have not been able to find any proof of a relationship between the familys of the fitzHarding de Berkeleys and Robert Earl of Gloucester so am willing to accept that this is just an old wives tale that modern genealogy is about to destroy once and forever. I would be interested if anybody knows anything different....
Best Wishes
Tony D
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Re: Robert FitzHarding and Robert, Earl of Gloucester
In message of 2 Mar, Tony Dyer <tonyddyer@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
If you live in Bristol, you should be able to get to one of the many
good libraries there and find the ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National
Biography) article on Robert FitzHarding. If you ask very nicely, they
may be able to give you internet access to the ODNB.
He was grandson but I have seen no evidence for any actions of Eadnoth.
Confirmed in John Smyth's 'Lives of the Berkeleys', Vol I, p. 34. This
excellent series was published in 1883 by the Bristol and Gloucester
Archaeological Society and should also be in the central library in
Bristol. Robert de Caen was indeed that royal bastard.
Smyth says he purchased manor of Byleswicke from the earl of
Gloucester (p. 34 again) and confirms the building of the abbey (p. 35).
I have found no confirmation of this.
Haven't found it. This is the nearest I have found:
Robert de Caen
|
Maud
|
Hugh de Kivelioc
earl of Chester
|
Agnes de Kivelioc
|
William de Ferrers
earl of Derby
|
Joan de Ferrers
|
Maurice Berkeley
2nd baron by writ
OR
Robert de Caen
|
Robt FitzHarding Maud
| |
Maurice FitzRobert Hugh de Kivelioc
| |
Maud Berkeley Amice de Kivelioc
| |
Elis Giffard Bertred Mainwaring
| |
John Giffard James Audley
| |
Catherine Giffard = Nicholas Audley
|
Nicholas de Audley
Any more offers?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
Hi newsgroup
This is my first post and, having read much of the archives, do so
with some trepidation...! I have recently inherited a family tree
and as it is seems very extensive am trying to prove/confirm as much
as possible rather than taking it on face value. One of the links
is to Robert fitzHarding, Merchant of Bristol (and as I am a
Bristolian myself this is of particular interest) and possibly also
to Robert, Earl of Robert (co-builder of Bristol Castle - so more
local interest!)
If you live in Bristol, you should be able to get to one of the many
good libraries there and find the ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National
Biography) article on Robert FitzHarding. If you ask very nicely, they
may be able to give you internet access to the ODNB.
The lineage in the chart shows Robert fitzHarding as being the
grandson (or possibly great-grandson) of Eadnoth the Staller who
performed some Royal duties for Edward the Confessor (possibly
steward or constable?).
He was grandson but I have seen no evidence for any actions of Eadnoth.
In the 1140's he (Robert fitzHarding) purchased the Manor of
Bedminster from Robert the Earl of Gloucester (illegitimate son of
Henry Beauclerc?).
Confirmed in John Smyth's 'Lives of the Berkeleys', Vol I, p. 34. This
excellent series was published in 1883 by the Bristol and Gloucester
Archaeological Society and should also be in the central library in
Bristol. Robert de Caen was indeed that royal bastard.
The Manor included the marshland in the bend of
the river Avon on the southern side of the Bridge of Bristol and in
this bit of land fitzHarding established/extended? the suburb of
Redcliffe as a commercial rival to Bristol.
Robert was also given the Manor of Billeswick (and other Berkeley
lands) where he founded the Abbey of St Augustine - later Bristol
Cathedral.
Smyth says he purchased manor of Byleswicke from the earl of
Gloucester (p. 34 again) and confirms the building of the abbey (p. 35).
Meanwhiile the Norman castle of Bristol had been built by Bishop
Geoffrey of Coutance but it's keep was greatly rebuilt/extended by
Robert, Earl of Gloucester who kept every 10th stone from the keep
for the building of St James's Priory where he was later buried.
I have found no confirmation of this.
Now, I will be grateful if anybody can point out any mistake I have
made in the above passage (I have just purchased a large pad and
some new pens!) but what I am really asking is the following;
There is a legend/myth in my family that just as my grandfather was
baptised at St James and my grandmother was baptised at St
Augustine's and married at St Mary Redcliffe, that a child or
grandchild of Robert fitzHarding (founder of St Augustine) and a
child or grandchild of Robert, Earl of Gloucester (founder of St
James) were also married at St Mary Redcliffe. I have not been able
to find any proof of a relationship between the familys of the
fitzHarding de Berkeleys and Robert Earl of Gloucester so am willing
to accept that this is just an old wives tale that modern genealogy
is about to destroy once and forever. I would be interested if
anybody knows anything different....
Haven't found it. This is the nearest I have found:
Robert de Caen
|
Maud
|
Hugh de Kivelioc
earl of Chester
|
Agnes de Kivelioc
|
William de Ferrers
earl of Derby
|
Joan de Ferrers
|
Maurice Berkeley
2nd baron by writ
OR
Robert de Caen
|
Robt FitzHarding Maud
| |
Maurice FitzRobert Hugh de Kivelioc
| |
Maud Berkeley Amice de Kivelioc
| |
Elis Giffard Bertred Mainwaring
| |
John Giffard James Audley
| |
Catherine Giffard = Nicholas Audley
|
Nicholas de Audley
Any more offers?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
-
Tony Pratt
Re: Robert FitzHarding and Robert, Earl of Gloucester
Hi Tony,
You might try looking in "The Berkley Manuscripts " Maclean, J (ed)
(1835) in three volumes whic Ihave found useful in researching Bluet
connections with the Berkley family. I'm not sure if there are copies
in Bristol but if you can get to Bath Library (opposite the Post
Office) their local history section has all three volumes. (As I
recall they are on the top shelf in the Gloucestershire section, you
are looking for big blue books) Oh and it's open on Sundays to
16.00!!
Hope that's some help, good luck
Tony Pratt
On Mar 5, 8:42 pm, Tony Dyer <tonydd...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
You might try looking in "The Berkley Manuscripts " Maclean, J (ed)
(1835) in three volumes whic Ihave found useful in researching Bluet
connections with the Berkley family. I'm not sure if there are copies
in Bristol but if you can get to Bath Library (opposite the Post
Office) their local history section has all three volumes. (As I
recall they are on the top shelf in the Gloucestershire section, you
are looking for big blue books) Oh and it's open on Sundays to
16.00!!
Hope that's some help, good luck
Tony Pratt
On Mar 5, 8:42 pm, Tony Dyer <tonydd...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
In message of 2 Mar, Tony Dyer wrote:
Hi newsgroup
This is my first post and, having read much of the archives, do so
with some trepidation...! I have recently inherited a family tree
and as it is seems very extensive am trying to prove/confirm as much
as possible rather than taking it on face value. One of the links
is to Robert fitzHarding, Merchant of Bristol (and as I am a
Bristolian myself this is of particular interest) and possibly also
to Robert, Earl of Robert (co-builder of Bristol Castle - so more
local interest!)
If you live in Bristol, you should be able to get to one of the many
good libraries there and find the ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National
Biography) article on Robert FitzHarding. If you ask very nicely, they
may be able to give you internet access to the ODNB.
Have now done so, and now have online access. The article on Robert FitzHarding was very useful.
The lineage in the chart shows Robert fitzHarding as being the
grandson (or possibly great-grandson) of Eadnoth the Staller who
performed some Royal duties for Edward the Confessor (possibly
steward or constable?).
He was grandson but I have seen no evidence for any actions of Eadnoth.
The ODNB also had an article for Eadnoth, describing him as steward to Edward the Confessor and that he was killed at Bleadon defending Somerset from an attack by Harold's son in 1068.
also I found;
"came one of Harold's sons from Ireland with a naval force into the mouth of the Avon unawares, and plundered soon over all that quarter; whence they went to Bristol, and would have stormed the town; but the people bravely withstood them. When they could gain nothing from the town, they went to their ships with the booty which they had acquired by plunder; and then they advanced upon Somersetshire, and there went up; and Ednoth, master of the horse, fought with them; but he was there slain, and many good men on either side; and those that were left departed thence." Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for 1068
.
In the 1140's he (Robert fitzHarding) purchased the Manor of
Bedminster from Robert the Earl of Gloucester (illegitimate son of
Henry Beauclerc?).
Confirmed in John Smyth's 'Lives of the Berkeleys', Vol I, p. 34. This
excellent series was published in 1883 by the Bristol and Gloucester
Archaeological Society and should also be in the central library in
Bristol. Robert de Caen was indeed that royal bastard.
The Manor included the marshland in the bend of
the river Avon on the southern side of the Bridge of Bristol and in
this bit of land fitzHarding established/extended? the suburb of
Redcliffe as a commercial rival to Bristol.
Robert was also given the Manor of Billeswick (and other Berkeley
lands) where he founded the Abbey of St Augustine - later Bristol
Cathedral.
Smyth says he purchased manor of Byleswicke from the earl of
Gloucester (p. 34 again) and confirms the building of the abbey (p. 35).
I now have a copy of Smyth's "Lives of the Berkeley" on my desk and will be reading it over the next few weeks with great enthusiasm - normal work allowing, of course. Thanks for that.
Meanwhiile the Norman castle of Bristol had been built by Bishop>> Geoffrey of Coutance but it's keep was greatly rebuilt/extended by
Robert, Earl of Gloucester who kept every 10th stone from the keep
for the building of St James's Priory where he was later buried.
I have found no confirmation of this.
I am not a Latin reader so not sure if this is the right passage (apologies if it is completely wrong);
"Ex Libello de Antiquitate Theokeberiensis Monasterii" says "Hic Robertus construxit castrum de Bristolle et dedit decimum quemque lapidem castri ad fabricam capellae S. Mariae juxta monaster. S. Jacobi Bristolliae." Leland, Itin, vi. 79
Now, I will be grateful if anybody can point out any mistake I have
made in the above passage (I have just purchased a large pad and
some new pens!) but what I am really asking is the following;
There is a legend/myth in my family that just as my grandfather was
baptised at St James and my grandmother was baptised at St
Augustine's and married at St Mary Redcliffe, that a child or
grandchild of Robert fitzHarding (founder of St Augustine) and a
child or grandchild of Robert, Earl of Gloucester (founder of St
James) were also married at St Mary Redcliffe. I have not been able
to find any proof of a relationship between the familys of the
fitzHarding de Berkeleys and Robert Earl of Gloucester so am willing
to accept that this is just an old wives tale that modern genealogy
is about to destroy once and forever. I would be interested if
anybody knows anything different....
Haven't found it. This is the nearest I have found:
Robert de Caen
|
Maud
|
Hugh de Kivelioc
earl of Chester
|
Agnes de Kivelioc
|
William de Ferrers
earl of Derby
|
Joan de Ferrers
|
Maurice Berkeley
2nd baron by writ
OR
Robert de Caen
|
Robt FitzHarding Maud
|
Maurice FitzRobert Hugh de Kivelioc
| |
Maud Berkeley Amice de Kivelioc
| |
Elis Giffard Bertred Mainwaring
| |
John Giffard James Audley
| |
Catherine Giffard = Nicholas Audley
|
Nicholas de Audley
Any more offers?
I've had a look at the lineages and the names all turn up in the family tree I've been given as well (some more than once), so I think the more I read and find out the more I will learn...
Thanks again for the assistance.
Tony D
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Re: Robert FitzHarding and Robert, Earl of Gloucester
A useful account of Robert fitz Harding and his family, giving more detail &
references than the ODNB article, is Robert B Patterson's 'Robert Fitz
Harding of Bristol: Profile of an Early Angevin Burgess-Baron Patrician and
his Family's Urban Involvement', Haskins Society Journal 1 (1989) 109-122.
Peter Stewart
"Tony Pratt" <chetwynd222@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1173527932.370792.273780@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
references than the ODNB article, is Robert B Patterson's 'Robert Fitz
Harding of Bristol: Profile of an Early Angevin Burgess-Baron Patrician and
his Family's Urban Involvement', Haskins Society Journal 1 (1989) 109-122.
Peter Stewart
"Tony Pratt" <chetwynd222@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1173527932.370792.273780@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
Hi Tony,
You might try looking in "The Berkley Manuscripts " Maclean, J (ed)
(1835) in three volumes whic Ihave found useful in researching Bluet
connections with the Berkley family. I'm not sure if there are copies
in Bristol but if you can get to Bath Library (opposite the Post
Office) their local history section has all three volumes. (As I
recall they are on the top shelf in the Gloucestershire section, you
are looking for big blue books) Oh and it's open on Sundays to
16.00!!
Hope that's some help, good luck
Tony Pratt
On Mar 5, 8:42 pm, Tony Dyer <tonydd...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
In message of 2 Mar, Tony Dyer wrote:
Hi newsgroup
This is my first post and, having read much of the archives, do so
with some trepidation...! I have recently inherited a family tree
and as it is seems very extensive am trying to prove/confirm as much
as possible rather than taking it on face value. One of the links
is to Robert fitzHarding, Merchant of Bristol (and as I am a
Bristolian myself this is of particular interest) and possibly also
to Robert, Earl of Robert (co-builder of Bristol Castle - so more
local interest!)
If you live in Bristol, you should be able to get to one of the many
good libraries there and find the ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National
Biography) article on Robert FitzHarding. If you ask very nicely, they
may be able to give you internet access to the ODNB.
Have now done so, and now have online access. The article on Robert
FitzHarding was very useful.
The lineage in the chart shows Robert fitzHarding as being the
grandson (or possibly great-grandson) of Eadnoth the Staller who
performed some Royal duties for Edward the Confessor (possibly
steward or constable?).
He was grandson but I have seen no evidence for any actions of Eadnoth.
The ODNB also had an article for Eadnoth, describing him as steward to
Edward the Confessor and that he was killed at Bleadon defending Somerset
from an attack by Harold's son in 1068.
also I found;
"came one of Harold's sons from Ireland with a naval force into the
mouth of the Avon unawares, and plundered soon over all that quarter;
whence they went to Bristol, and would have stormed the town; but the
people bravely withstood them. When they could gain nothing from the
town, they went to their ships with the booty which they had acquired by
plunder; and then they advanced upon Somersetshire, and there went up;
and Ednoth, master of the horse, fought with them; but he was there
slain, and many good men on either side; and those that were left
departed thence." Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for 1068
.
In the 1140's he (Robert fitzHarding) purchased the Manor of
Bedminster from Robert the Earl of Gloucester (illegitimate son of
Henry Beauclerc?).
Confirmed in John Smyth's 'Lives of the Berkeleys', Vol I, p. 34. This
excellent series was published in 1883 by the Bristol and Gloucester
Archaeological Society and should also be in the central library in
Bristol. Robert de Caen was indeed that royal bastard.
The Manor included the marshland in the bend of
the river Avon on the southern side of the Bridge of Bristol and in
this bit of land fitzHarding established/extended? the suburb of
Redcliffe as a commercial rival to Bristol.
Robert was also given the Manor of Billeswick (and other Berkeley
lands) where he founded the Abbey of St Augustine - later Bristol
Cathedral.
Smyth says he purchased manor of Byleswicke from the earl of
Gloucester (p. 34 again) and confirms the building of the abbey (p. 35).
I now have a copy of Smyth's "Lives of the Berkeley" on my desk and will
be reading it over the next few weeks with great enthusiasm - normal
work allowing, of course. Thanks for that.
Meanwhiile the Norman castle of Bristol had been built by Bishop
Geoffrey of Coutance but it's keep was greatly rebuilt/extended by
Robert, Earl of Gloucester who kept every 10th stone from the keep
for the building of St James's Priory where he was later buried.
I have found no confirmation of this.
I am not a Latin reader so not sure if this is the right passage
(apologies if it is completely wrong);
"Ex Libello de Antiquitate Theokeberiensis Monasterii" says "Hic
Robertus construxit castrum de Bristolle et dedit decimum quemque lapidem
castri ad fabricam capellae S. Mariae juxta monaster. S. Jacobi
Bristolliae." Leland, Itin, vi. 79
Now, I will be grateful if anybody can point out any mistake I have
made in the above passage (I have just purchased a large pad and
some new pens!) but what I am really asking is the following;
There is a legend/myth in my family that just as my grandfather was
baptised at St James and my grandmother was baptised at St
Augustine's and married at St Mary Redcliffe, that a child or
grandchild of Robert fitzHarding (founder of St Augustine) and a
child or grandchild of Robert, Earl of Gloucester (founder of St
James) were also married at St Mary Redcliffe. I have not been able
to find any proof of a relationship between the familys of the
fitzHarding de Berkeleys and Robert Earl of Gloucester so am willing
to accept that this is just an old wives tale that modern genealogy
is about to destroy once and forever. I would be interested if
anybody knows anything different....
Haven't found it. This is the nearest I have found:
Robert de Caen
|
Maud
|
Hugh de Kivelioc
earl of Chester
|
Agnes de Kivelioc
|
William de Ferrers
earl of Derby
|
Joan de Ferrers
|
Maurice Berkeley
2nd baron by writ
OR
Robert de Caen
|
Robt FitzHarding Maud
|
Maurice FitzRobert Hugh de Kivelioc
| |
Maud Berkeley Amice de Kivelioc
| |
Elis Giffard Bertred Mainwaring
| |
John Giffard James Audley
| |
Catherine Giffard = Nicholas Audley
|
Nicholas de Audley
Any more offers?
I've had a look at the lineages and the names all turn up in the family
tree I've been given as well (some more than once), so I think the more I
read and find out the more I will learn...
Thanks again for the assistance.
Tony D
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Re: Robert FitzHarding and Robert, Earl of Gloucester
Thanks, Peter
I received this as a library interloan today in pdf format. If anyone
would like to read this I can email it to them. Please contact me off-
list.
Cheers
Rosie
On Mar 11, 4:39 pm, "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stew...@msn.com> wrote:
I received this as a library interloan today in pdf format. If anyone
would like to read this I can email it to them. Please contact me off-
list.
Cheers
Rosie
On Mar 11, 4:39 pm, "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stew...@msn.com> wrote:
A useful account of Robert fitz Harding and his family, giving more detail &
references than the ODNB article, is Robert B Patterson's 'Robert Fitz
Harding ofBristol: Profile of an Early Angevin Burgess-Baron Patrician and
his Family's Urban Involvement', Haskins Society Journal 1 (1989) 109-122.
Peter Stewart
"Tony Pratt" <chetwynd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1173527932.370792.273780@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
Hi Tony,
You might try looking in "The Berkley Manuscripts " Maclean, J (ed)
(1835) in three volumes whic Ihave found useful in researching Bluet
connections with the Berkley family. I'm not sure if there are copies
inBristolbut if you can get to Bath Library (opposite the Post
Office) their local history section has all three volumes. (As I
recall they are on the top shelf in the Gloucestershire section, you
are looking for big blue books) Oh and it's open on Sundays to
16.00!!
Hope that's some help, good luck
Tony Pratt
On Mar 5, 8:42 pm, Tony Dyer <tonydd...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
In message of 2 Mar, Tony Dyer wrote:
Hi newsgroup
This is my first post and, having read much of the archives, do so
with some trepidation...! I have recently inherited a family tree
and as it is seems very extensive am trying to prove/confirm as much
as possible rather than taking it on face value. One of the links
is to Robert fitzHarding, Merchant ofBristol(and as I am a
Bristolian myself this is of particular interest) and possibly also
to Robert, Earl of Robert (co-builder ofBristolCastle - so more
local interest!)
If you live inBristol, you should be able to get to one of the many
good libraries there and find the ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National
Biography) article on Robert FitzHarding. If you ask very nicely, they
may be able to give you internet access to the ODNB.
Have now done so, and now have online access. The article on Robert
FitzHarding was very useful.
The lineage in the chart shows Robert fitzHarding as being the
grandson (or possibly great-grandson) of Eadnoth the Staller who
performed some Royal duties for Edward the Confessor (possibly
steward or constable?).
He was grandson but I have seen no evidence for any actions of Eadnoth.
The ODNB also had an article for Eadnoth, describing him as steward to
Edward the Confessor and that he was killed at Bleadon defending Somerset
from an attack by Harold's son in 1068.
also I found;
"came one of Harold's sons from Ireland with a naval force into the
mouth of the Avon unawares, and plundered soon over all that quarter;
whence they went toBristol, and would have stormed the town; but the
people bravely withstood them. When they could gain nothing from the
town, they went to their ships with the booty which they had acquired by
plunder; and then they advanced upon Somersetshire, and there went up;
and Ednoth, master of the horse, fought with them; but he was there
slain, and many good men on either side; and those that were left
departed thence." Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for 1068
.
In the 1140's he (Robert fitzHarding) purchased the Manor of
Bedminster from Robert the Earl of Gloucester (illegitimate son of
Henry Beauclerc?).
Confirmed in John Smyth's 'Lives of the Berkeleys', Vol I, p. 34. This
excellent series was published in 1883 by theBristoland Gloucester
Archaeological Society and should also be in the central library in
Bristol. Robert de Caen was indeed that royal bastard.
The Manor included the marshland in the bend of
the river Avon on the southern side of the Bridge ofBristoland in
this bit of land fitzHarding established/extended? the suburb of
Redcliffe as a commercial rival toBristol.
Robert was also given the Manor of Billeswick (and other Berkeley
lands) where he founded the Abbey of St Augustine - laterBristol
Cathedral.
Smyth says he purchased manor of Byleswicke from the earl of
Gloucester (p. 34 again) and confirms the building of the abbey (p. 35).
I now have a copy of Smyth's "Lives of the Berkeley" on my desk and will
be reading it over the next few weeks with great enthusiasm - normal
work allowing, of course. Thanks for that.
Meanwhiile the Norman castle ofBristolhad been built by Bishop
Geoffrey of Coutance but it's keep was greatly rebuilt/extended by
Robert, Earl of Gloucester who kept every 10th stone from the keep
for the building of St James's Priory where he was later buried.
I have found no confirmation of this.
I am not a Latin reader so not sure if this is the right passage
(apologies if it is completely wrong);
"Ex Libello de Antiquitate Theokeberiensis Monasterii" says "Hic
Robertus construxit castrum de Bristolle et dedit decimum quemque lapidem
castri ad fabricam capellae S. Mariae juxta monaster. S. Jacobi
Bristolliae." Leland, Itin, vi. 79
Now, I will be grateful if anybody can point out any mistake I have
made in the above passage (I have just purchased a large pad and
some new pens!) but what I am really asking is the following;
There is a legend/myth in my family that just as my grandfather was
baptised at St James and my grandmother was baptised at St
Augustine's and married at St Mary Redcliffe, that a child or
grandchild of Robert fitzHarding (founder of St Augustine) and a
child or grandchild of Robert, Earl of Gloucester (founder of St
James) were also married at St Mary Redcliffe. I have not been able
to find any proof of a relationship between the familys of the
fitzHarding de Berkeleys and Robert Earl of Gloucester so am willing
to accept that this is just an old wives tale that modern genealogy
is about to destroy once and forever. I would be interested if
anybody knows anything different....
Haven't found it. This is the nearest I have found:
Robert de Caen
|
Maud
|
Hugh de Kivelioc
earl of Chester
|
Agnes de Kivelioc
|
William de Ferrers
earl of Derby
|
Joan de Ferrers
|
Maurice Berkeley
2nd baron by writ
OR
Robert de Caen
|
Robt FitzHarding Maud
|
Maurice FitzRobert Hugh de Kivelioc
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Maud Berkeley Amice de Kivelioc
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Elis Giffard Bertred Mainwaring
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John Giffard James Audley
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Catherine Giffard = Nicholas Audley
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Nicholas de Audley
Any more offers?
I've had a look at the lineages and the names all turn up in the family
tree I've been given as well (some more than once), so I think the more I
read and find out the more I will learn...
Thanks again for the assistance.
Tony D
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