Bulkley Ancestors in Normandy 1050-1250

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Bulkley Ancestors in Normandy 1050-1250

Legg inn av paul bulkley » 01 mar 2007 18:46:02

I never received any information or suggestions
(except negative opinions without supporting evidence)
re my idea that the ancestors of the London/Essex/Kent
Bulkleys and the Lancashire/Yorkshire Bulkleys came
from across the Channel.

However I did receive a lot of remarks expressing
interest in the Cheshire Bulkleys.

Currently I do not think, right or wrong, that the
Cheshire Bulkleys are connected to the other two
groups. The question that has puzzled me and no doubt
others - where did the Cheshire mob come from?

No one seems to have an explanation. Perhaps the
following should be considered:

Study of the Beaumaris and the Woore Bulkleys
1300-1400 suggests that they were a bunch of merciless
criminals and imbeciles.

The Beaumaris mob tainted with bad Chedle blood were
truly impossible. Murder, poisonings, oppression -
very troublesome characters. Just consider master
William 1375. He and other members of the Bulkley
family:

1. Beseiged Vale Royal Abbey.
2. Defied bailiff Northwich.
3. Twice prevented the holding of Earl's Court of
Middlewich.
4. Proclaimed Court of their own with usual "bred and
ale".
5. Moved into Nantwich, caused so much terror, men
placed themselves and goods under Bulkley protection.

The Woore Bulkleys were just as criminal:

1321: Complaint by Abbot Vale Royal re assault on monk
John Lewis by Roger Bulkylegh et alia.Life threatened.
1321: Complaint by Abbot Vale Royal re murder John
Boddeworth by ditto - attacked and then played
football with his head (Darnhale)
1381: Peter Bulkley et alia charged with assault of
Thos de Stafford, his servants, and theft (Lichfield)
1396: Sheriff instructed to arrest Peter Bulkley.

NOW where did all these nice people pick up their
unfortunate criminal behavior? I suppose that one
could claim that Roger Bulkylegh started the British
Football Association but that claim seems troublesome.

Perhaps one should search no further than the Cheshire
practice of offering asylem/sanctuary for criminals
escaping from justice at Hoole Heath, Overmarsh, and
Rudheath. Fugitives, debtors, law offenders were
offered safe haven with Earl of Chester's protection
on payment fine an "advowry"

No doubt much of the Earl's armed forces came from
this group. It is said that the men of Chester
(Cheshire) in King Richard's time were both feared and
hated in other parts of England.

I am not surprised!

And of course this partly explains the significant
lack of information of this Bulkley Cheshire mob prior
to 1200 other than the unproved claim that their name
is obtained from the mythical village of Bulkelegh or
whatever.

Paul Bulkley





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Re: Bulkley Ancestors in Normandy 1050-1250

Legg inn av John Brandon » 01 mar 2007 20:36:04

Oh, lord, more of this crap ...

Gjest

Re: Bulkley Ancestors in Normandy 1050-1250

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 mar 2007 21:16:21

On 1 Mrz., 17:41, paul bulkley <designecono...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I never received any information or suggestions
(except negative opinions without supporting evidence)

Much valuable evidence and sensible debate were offered to you, but
you chose to ignore them in favour of wallowing in your unfounded pre-
conceived notions.

re my idea that the ancestors of the London/Essex/Kent
Bulkleys and the Lancashire/Yorkshire Bulkleys came
from across the Channel.

Which was, and remains, utterly without supporting evidence. Why not
posit that they came from Outer Space - after all, some of their
putative descendants still speak gibberish?

However I did receive a lot of remarks expressing
interest in the Cheshire Bulkleys.

Currently I do not think, right or wrong, that the
Cheshire Bulkleys are connected to the other two
groups. The question that has puzzled me and no doubt
others - where did the Cheshire mob come from?

No one seems to have an explanation.

Except for that offered to you - viz, they take their name from the
Cheshire village of Bulkeley; that is so self-evident as to defy the
need for further consideration.

Perhaps the
following should be considered:

Study of the Beaumaris and the Woore Bulkleys
1300-1400 suggests that they were a bunch of merciless
criminals and imbeciles.

I have prayed for strength to resist this gift-horse...

The Beaumaris mob tainted with bad Chedle blood were
truly impossible. Murder, poisonings, oppression -
very troublesome characters. Just consider master
William 1375. He and other members of the Bulkley
family:

1. Beseiged Vale Royal Abbey.
2. Defied bailiff Northwich.
3. Twice prevented the holding of Earl's Court of
Middlewich.
4. Proclaimed Court of their own with usual "bred and
ale".
5. Moved into Nantwich, caused so much terror, men
placed themselves and goods under Bulkley protection.

The Woore Bulkleys were just as criminal:

1321: Complaint by Abbot Vale Royal re assault on monk
John Lewis by Roger Bulkylegh et alia.Life threatened.
1321: Complaint by Abbot Vale Royal re murder John
Boddeworth by ditto - attacked and then played
football with his head (Darnhale)
1381: Peter Bulkley et alia charged with assault of
Thos de Stafford, his servants, and theft (Lichfield)
1396: Sheriff instructed to arrest Peter Bulkley.

NOW where did all these nice people pick up their
unfortunate criminal behavior? I suppose that one
could claim that Roger Bulkylegh started the British
Football Association but that claim seems troublesome.

Perhaps one should search no further than the Cheshire
practice of offering asylem/sanctuary for criminals
escaping from justice at Hoole Heath, Overmarsh, and
Rudheath. Fugitives, debtors, law offenders were
offered safe haven with Earl of Chester's protection
on payment fine an "advowry"

No doubt much of the Earl's armed forces came from
this group.

A statement without any basis in evidence or logic.

It is said that the men of Chester
(Cheshire) in King Richard's time were both feared and
hated in other parts of England.

I am not surprised!

And of course this partly explains the significant
lack of information of this Bulkley Cheshire mob prior
to 1200

Huh? You provide a list of largely irrelevant scattered claims that
seem entirely in keeping with the period, and then adduce this non
sequituur. None of the trivia you have typed out has anything
remotely to do with an origin of the name "Bulkley".

other than the unproved claim that their name
is obtained from the mythical village of Bulkelegh or
whatever.

This "mythical village" appear to be manifesting in my current UK
Gazeteer. Your inability to deal with this entirely reasonable claim
as to the origins of your surname marks you as remarkably ill-equipped
for genealogy; furthermore, given your habitual rudeness, it is hard
to believe you are not a troll.

taf

Re: Bulkley Ancestors in Normandy 1050-1250

Legg inn av taf » 05 mar 2007 03:03:53

On Mar 1, 10:41 am, paul bulkley <designecono...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I never received any information or suggestions
(except negative opinions without supporting evidence)

This is hardly an accurate description of the prior discussion. You
received information and suggestions, and some even used your own
supporting evidence. As to "negative", well, they were helpful, and at
least at first well mannered. That you choose, on nothing more than a
whim, to prefer an alternative is hardly sufficient grounds to
characterize those comments which do not support your preference as
"negative".

re my idea that the ancestors of the London/Essex/Kent
Bulkleys and the Lancashire/Yorkshire Bulkleys came
from across the Channel.

And as long as we are talking about "opinions without supporting
evidence" . . . .


Currently I do not think, right or wrong, that the
Cheshire Bulkleys are connected to the other two
groups.

And as long as we are talking about "opinions without supporting
evidence" . . . .


The question that has puzzled me and no doubt
others - where did the Cheshire mob come from?

Cheshire, and before that, either Normandy or Mercia, probably.


No one seems to have an explanation.

There have been several posted explanations, all of which you ignored.


Perhaps the
following should be considered:

Study of the Beaumaris and the Woore Bulkleys
1300-1400 suggests that they were a bunch of merciless
criminals and imbeciles.

I somehow suspect this is your characterization, and not necessarily a
well supported one.


The Beaumaris mob tainted with bad Chedle blood were
truly impossible. Murder, poisonings, oppression -
very troublesome characters. Just consider master
William 1375. He and other members of the Bulkley
family:

1. Beseiged Vale Royal Abbey.
2. Defied bailiff Northwich.
3. Twice prevented the holding of Earl's Court of
Middlewich.
4. Proclaimed Court of their own with usual "bred and
ale".
5. Moved into Nantwich, caused so much terror, men
placed themselves and goods under Bulkley protection.

The Woore Bulkleys were just as criminal:

1321: Complaint by Abbot Vale Royal re assault on monk
John Lewis by Roger Bulkylegh et alia.Life threatened.
1321: Complaint by Abbot Vale Royal re murder John
Boddeworth by ditto - attacked and then played
football with his head (Darnhale)
1381: Peter Bulkley et alia charged with assault of
Thos de Stafford, his servants, and theft (Lichfield)
1396: Sheriff instructed to arrest Peter Bulkley.

Most of this is typical of the time. Petty squables, and family feuds
were fought out in the courts under such terms as kidnapping, rape,
and theft of documents, etc. I specifically recall a rape case, where
when you read the details it becomes clear that the accused had done
nothing but offer shelter to the runaway wife of the plaintiff. (For
modern context, anyone who, centuries later, would read modern divorce
proceedings would get a similar opinion of our age - I have heard
plaintiffs lawyers, numerous times, admitting that the physical abuse
described in the complaint never actually took place, but were
included simply to provide leverage during the settlement
negotiations.)

NOW where did all these nice people pick up their
unfortunate criminal behavior?

From watching all of their neighbors doing the same thing.

Perhaps one should search no further than the Cheshire
practice of offering asylem/sanctuary for criminals
escaping from justice at Hoole Heath, Overmarsh, and
Rudheath. Fugitives, debtors, law offenders were
offered safe haven with Earl of Chester's protection
on payment fine an "advowry"

These proceedings are common across England, and too look for a
Cheshire-specific cause is probably misplaced.

And of course this partly explains the significant
lack of information of this Bulkley Cheshire mob prior
to 1200 other than the unproved claim that their name
is obtained from the mythical village of Bulkelegh or
whatever.

You know, you can choose not to accept an explanation without denying
reality. Just because I don't think your group links to the Irish
families you have mentioned doesn't mean that I strengthen my case by
claiming that Ireland is mythical. The village of Bulkelegh is not
mythical. Whether the family derived from the town might be debated
(although you should bring to the table something more than a simple
desire for it not to be true), but anyone with a map and the slightest
knowledge of English toponyms can see that you have gone off the deep
end in calling it mythical.

taf

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