Death of Isaac Bromwich's widow, Anne

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John Brandon

Death of Isaac Bromwich's widow, Anne

Legg inn av John Brandon » 01 mar 2007 02:03:14

The online Bromsberrow parish registers show:

1669
Anne the widow of Isaac Bromwich was buried 1 May

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... ol1pt3.htm

This is helpful on the somewhat obscure life of Isaac Bromwich; we
know he must have died by May 1669.

John Brandon

Re: Death of Isaac Bromwich's widow, Anne

Legg inn av John Brandon » 01 mar 2007 02:15:59

We also find

Anno Doi 1660

Wm Clayton Ge[n]t & Ms Frances Bromwich were married 23
April

Presumably this was the daughter of Isaac (named after her mother's
sister Frances Poyntz [wife of ----- Gifford]).

John Brandon

Re: Death of Isaac Bromwich's widow, Anne

Legg inn av John Brandon » 01 mar 2007 16:52:54

Anno Doi 1660

Wm Clayton Ge[n]t & Ms Frances Bromwich were married 23
April

Presumably this was the daughter of Isaac (named after her mother's
sister Frances Poyntz [wife of ----- Gifford]).

This is somewhat helpful, as it shows that Isaac and his wife Anne nee
Poyntz were probably close to their in-laws, Mr. ----- Gifford and his
wife Frances nee Poyntz.

Last year, I speculated that the close relationship of Bromwich to a
Gifford family was the reason he suppressed the name of Capt. John
Gifford from his pamphlet on the destruction of timber in Dean Forest.

From other sources, it is quite well-documented that Capt. John
Gifford (aka John Gifford, gent.) was involved in both ironworking and

timber destruction in Dean:

1. The pamphlet written by the preservators of the Forest of Dean:
_Certaine Reasons (By Way of Reply to Some Objections Generally Urged
and in More Particular to a Paper Styled the Case of JOHN GIFFORD
Gentleman, Presented to the Members of Parliament) Why Those Iron-
works in the Forrest of Deane Should be in Honour and Justice of the
House, Speedily Demolisht_ (s.l.: s.n., 1650?).

2. Gifford's response to this: John Giffard, _A Modest Vindication
of the Case of John Giffard Gent.: And an Answer to the Reply of the
Preservators of Deane Forest. With Certain Reasons Why those Iron
Works Should not be Demolished Untill his Stock Be Wrought Out_
(London: s.n., 1646? [sic, recte: 1650]).

3. A later document (ca. 1670) written by Sir John Winter (or a
member of his circle), _A True Narrative Concerning the Woods and
Ironworks of the Forrest of Deane, and How They have been Disposed
Since the Year 1635_, which mentions the involvement of "Captain
Gifferd" in the destruction of timber.

Elsewhere, in official documents, Bromwich was not so shy about
mentioning John Gifford's name:

_Calendar of State Papers, Domestic Series, 1649-1650_ (London, 1875),
p. 443:

[1649, Dec. 19.] 102. Report, by [Col.] J. Brownwick [i.e., Isaac
Bromwich] and [Capt.] Geo. Bishop, of the spoils committed in Dean
Forest, being abstracts of certain depositions taken in that behalf,
viz.: Upwards of 50,000 trees have been destroyed there since 1641,
some of which were the best of an ell and a half square. The chief
destroyers are Col. Kerle and Captains Thos. Pury, Gifford, Brame
[i.e., Brayn], Phillips, and the preservators of the forest ...

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0SjCv ... 8-PA443,M1

Notice the mention of "certain depositions taken in that behalf."
Bromwich and Bishop were the Commissioners who took all these
depositions, and it was not an easy business, as Bishop wrote in his
own pamphlet (published in tandem with Bromwich's) "... to leave the
prosecution of their Merchandize, and other necessary employments, to
make many journeys into the Countrey with their servants, there to
stay severall days at a time, have 200. people attending their
businesse, and dieted at their own charge, take the depositions of
many hundred
persons, which five and twenty skins of Parchment will hardly
containe, attend a hundred miles distance at London from day to day,
for five weeks together, being at neare 200.l. charge, and proceed
upon all this, without so much as any promise for the reinbursing them
againe..." (Bishop, __A Modest Check to Part of a Scandalous
Libel ..._ [s.l. : s.n., 1650?]).

I suspect these depositions ("which five and twenty skins of Parchment
will hardly containe") are still in existence and have the archival
ref. of "P.R.O., LRRO
5/7A, com. of inquiry and depositions 1649; for the surveyors and
preservators, ibid. E 178/6080" (see _VCH Gloucestershire_, 5:365).

I suppose it's remotely possible that Capt. John Gifford was actually
the one married to Anne Poyntz's sister Frances, but I think this
would be difficult to prove.


Chris Dickinson

Re: Death of Isaac Bromwich's widow, Anne

Legg inn av Chris Dickinson » 01 mar 2007 20:56:56

John Brandon quoted:

<snip>
being at neare 200.l. charge, and proceed upon all this, without so much as
any promise for the reinbursing them againe
snip


Oh yeah, spend that amount of money without full expectation of profit
.......!



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Anno Doi 1660

Wm Clayton Ge[n]t & Ms Frances Bromwich were married 23
April

Presumably this was the daughter of Isaac (named after her mother's
sister Frances Poyntz [wife of ----- Gifford]).

This is somewhat helpful, as it shows that Isaac and his wife Anne nee
Poyntz were probably close to their in-laws, Mr. ----- Gifford and his
wife Frances nee Poyntz.

Last year, I speculated that the close relationship of Bromwich to a
Gifford family was the reason he suppressed the name of Capt. John
Gifford from his pamphlet on the destruction of timber in Dean Forest.

From other sources, it is quite well-documented that Capt. John
Gifford (aka John Gifford, gent.) was involved in both ironworking and
timber destruction in Dean:

1. The pamphlet written by the preservators of the Forest of Dean:
_Certaine Reasons (By Way of Reply to Some Objections Generally Urged
and in More Particular to a Paper Styled the Case of JOHN GIFFORD
Gentleman, Presented to the Members of Parliament) Why Those Iron-
works in the Forrest of Deane Should be in Honour and Justice of the
House, Speedily Demolisht_ (s.l.: s.n., 1650?).

2. Gifford's response to this: John Giffard, _A Modest Vindication
of the Case of John Giffard Gent.: And an Answer to the Reply of the
Preservators of Deane Forest. With Certain Reasons Why those Iron
Works Should not be Demolished Untill his Stock Be Wrought Out_
(London: s.n., 1646? [sic, recte: 1650]).

3. A later document (ca. 1670) written by Sir John Winter (or a
member of his circle), _A True Narrative Concerning the Woods and
Ironworks of the Forrest of Deane, and How They have been Disposed
Since the Year 1635_, which mentions the involvement of "Captain
Gifferd" in the destruction of timber.

Elsewhere, in official documents, Bromwich was not so shy about
mentioning John Gifford's name:

_Calendar of State Papers, Domestic Series, 1649-1650_ (London, 1875),
p. 443:

[1649, Dec. 19.] 102. Report, by [Col.] J. Brownwick [i.e., Isaac
Bromwich] and [Capt.] Geo. Bishop, of the spoils committed in Dean
Forest, being abstracts of certain depositions taken in that behalf,
viz.: Upwards of 50,000 trees have been destroyed there since 1641,
some of which were the best of an ell and a half square. The chief
destroyers are Col. Kerle and Captains Thos. Pury, Gifford, Brame
[i.e., Brayn], Phillips, and the preservators of the forest ...

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0SjCv ... 8-PA443,M1

Notice the mention of "certain depositions taken in that behalf."
Bromwich and Bishop were the Commissioners who took all these
depositions, and it was not an easy business, as Bishop wrote in his
own pamphlet (published in tandem with Bromwich's) "... to leave the
prosecution of their Merchandize, and other necessary employments, to
make many journeys into the Countrey with their servants, there to
stay severall days at a time, have 200. people attending their
businesse, and dieted at their own charge, take the depositions of
many hundred
persons, which five and twenty skins of Parchment will hardly
containe, attend a hundred miles distance at London from day to day,
for five weeks together, being at neare 200.l. charge, and proceed
upon all this, without so much as any promise for the reinbursing them
againe..." (Bishop, __A Modest Check to Part of a Scandalous
Libel ..._ [s.l. : s.n., 1650?]).

I suspect these depositions ("which five and twenty skins of Parchment
will hardly containe") are still in existence and have the archival
ref. of "P.R.O., LRRO
5/7A, com. of inquiry and depositions 1649; for the surveyors and
preservators, ibid. E 178/6080" (see _VCH Gloucestershire_, 5:365).

I suppose it's remotely possible that Capt. John Gifford was actually
the one married to Anne Poyntz's sister Frances, but I think this
would be difficult to prove.

John Brandon

Re: Death of Isaac Bromwich's widow, Anne

Legg inn av John Brandon » 02 mar 2007 01:04:36

Oh yeah, spend that amount of money without full expectation of profit
......!

Probably just doing their civic duty, as helpful citizens ought ...

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