Ralph of Aalst-Lord or Count

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Louise

Ralph of Aalst-Lord or Count

Legg inn av Louise » 24 feb 2007 11:26:29

Hello,
I am trying to clarify the following information.A Dutch relative with
intense interest in History is also of the opinion that Ralph was lord not
count of Aalst. Any input welcome
Louise-Australia
The Continental Origins of the Ghent Family of Lincolnshire, by Richard
Sherman, where it states:

Although the territory of Aalst may indeed have formed a comitatus, the
family of Ghent who held it of the counts of Flanders were more properly
lords of Aalst.

However if the territory of Aalst (Alost) was, in fact, a comitatus,
(territory of a Count) then the person 'holding' it was, ipso facto (by that
very fact), a Count, not a lord.

A further entry in the aforementioned booklet:

van der Kindere argues that despite the fact the Ghent Family held the
alleged county off him, Count Baldwin V had no intention of establishing it
in a dignity potentially rivalling his own.

Peter Stewart

Re: Ralph of Aalst-Lord or Count

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 24 feb 2007 11:57:00

"Louise" <louiseg82@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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Hello,
I am trying to clarify the following information.A Dutch relative with
intense interest in History is also of the opinion that Ralph was lord
not
count of Aalst. Any input welcome
Louise-Australia
The Continental Origins of the Ghent Family of Lincolnshire, by Richard
Sherman, where it states:

Although the territory of Aalst may indeed have formed a comitatus, the
family of Ghent who held it of the counts of Flanders were more properly
lords of Aalst.

However if the territory of Aalst (Alost) was, in fact, a comitatus,
(territory of a Count) then the person 'holding' it was, ipso facto (by
that
very fact), a Count, not a lord.

This is a misconception - insofar there is a general principle, it is that a
count was someone whose overlord recognised him as such. If you held a
countship as a vassal of the ruler of Flanders and he said you were not a
count, then you either had to make yourself independent of him or put up
with it.

Ivan the Bald of Aalst was titled "count" one or twice when he was husband
to a daughter of the count of Flanders, but even he was usually known as
"dominus" or even simply "miles de Alost".

Peter Stewart

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