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Nathaniel Taylor

Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 21 feb 2007 19:51:09

In article <1172075593.727301.245010@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC02623018&id=sFsCAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA5-PA231&lp
g=RA5-PA231&dq=%22anyhow+the+ques%22+still+satisfactorily

http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... 328&lpg=PA
328&dq=%22henry+dudley%22+christopher

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... henry+dudl
ey%22+christopher&dq=%22henry+dudley%22+christopher&pgis=1

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... 493&lpg=PA
493&dq=%22henry+dudley%22+christopher

Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

John Brandon

Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t

Legg inn av John Brandon » 21 feb 2007 20:40:06

Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.

I suppose Marshall had that part correct, but I am still doubtful
about the connection between Henry Dudley and any supposed son Roger
Dudley.

One thing that makes me doubt Roger's connection to this branch of
these prominent Dudleys is the failure of any of Susanna (Thorne)
Dudley's siblings to name children Susanna or Roger (or were there in
fact some nieces and nephews with those names?). You would really
think the Thornes would have been truly impressed by their sister
Susan, "who married the grandson of John, Baron Dudley," and have
named children in her honor, if not in Roger's. The Henders of
Cornwall, who admittedly only had daughters, did not name any of them
Susanna; and none of the male children of these Hender daughters were
named Roger, etc.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC3 ... %22+thorne

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC3 ... 1-PA147,M1

http://books.google.com/books?vid=077C6 ... foy+thorne

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... efoy+thorn

I have even wondered if Thomas Dudley might have been presented with
an old seal of the Sutton-Dudley arms as a gift from his patrons/
employers, the Fiennes Clintons. It may have been deemed appropriate
"since everyone named Dudley is probably related" (at least in a lot
of minds, particularly at that time). Contrary to some opinions, I
would be more likely to believe the arms his had he used them somewhat
regularly during life, not merely affixed them to a will he knew would
be seen only after his death.


Don Stone

Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t

Legg inn av Don Stone » 21 feb 2007 22:11:03

Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.

I have been told that the Newbury Street Press will be publishing a book
about the Dudley ancestry; its author is Brandon Fradd, who has
published, for example, in _The Genealogist_.

-- Don Stone

Nathaniel Taylor

... "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" ...

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 21 feb 2007 22:57:23

In article
<nathanieltaylor-D4D384.13510821022007@news.west.earthlink.net>,
I wrote:

Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.

I should say that a thoughtful, concise article based on Marshall's
research into the Thomas Bradbury ancestry, showing a *possible* royal
descent via the Whitgift and Fulnetby families, and substantially edited
(perhaps one should say written) by Martin Hollick, has just appeared in
the latest issue of the New England Historical and Genealogical
Register.

Thank you, Martin!

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

Gjest

Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t

Legg inn av Gjest » 22 feb 2007 20:51:28

On Feb 21, 4:11 pm, Don Stone <don.st...@verizon.net> wrote:
Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.

I have been told that the Newbury Street Press will be publishing a book
about the Dudley ancestry; its author is Brandon Fradd, who has
published, for example, in _The Genealogist_.

-- Don Stone

It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.

John Brandon

Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t

Legg inn av John Brandon » 23 feb 2007 15:37:11

It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.

Oh no ... not one book, but two. Simple math tells us that if it
takes Brice McAdoo Clagett thirty years to complete one book it will
take Branden Fradd sixty years to complete two ... at which time we
(and possibly he) will be dead.

Ergo, we will never see this material.

Gjest

Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t

Legg inn av Gjest » 23 feb 2007 15:46:56

On Feb 23, 9:37 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.

Oh no ... not one book, but two. Simple math tells us that if it
takes Brice McAdoo Clagett thirty years to complete one book it will
take Branden Fradd sixty years to complete two ... at which time we
(and possibly he) will be dead.

Ergo, we will never see this material.

I feel your pain. I too have been waiting for Brice's all-my-ancestor
work for a long time. What can one do but hope? Research is long and
life happens in between. In a perfect world, genealogists would have
university places and publish much more often. There are many
esteemed genealogists whose work does get published frequently--Leslie
Mahler and Melinde Lutz Sanborn come to mind. We are all unique
individuals working on our own schedules.

But if you're reading this, Brice, Paul Reed, and Brandon, your work
is so good we want you to publish! Please do soon!


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