The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains to be
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t
In article <1172075593.727301.245010@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC02623018&id=sFsCAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA5-PA231&lp
g=RA5-PA231&dq=%22anyhow+the+ques%22+still+satisfactorily
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... 328&lpg=PA
328&dq=%22henry+dudley%22+christopher
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... henry+dudl
ey%22+christopher&dq=%22henry+dudley%22+christopher&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... 493&lpg=PA
493&dq=%22henry+dudley%22+christopher
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
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John Brandon
Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.
I suppose Marshall had that part correct, but I am still doubtful
about the connection between Henry Dudley and any supposed son Roger
Dudley.
One thing that makes me doubt Roger's connection to this branch of
these prominent Dudleys is the failure of any of Susanna (Thorne)
Dudley's siblings to name children Susanna or Roger (or were there in
fact some nieces and nephews with those names?). You would really
think the Thornes would have been truly impressed by their sister
Susan, "who married the grandson of John, Baron Dudley," and have
named children in her honor, if not in Roger's. The Henders of
Cornwall, who admittedly only had daughters, did not name any of them
Susanna; and none of the male children of these Hender daughters were
named Roger, etc.
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC3 ... %22+thorne
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC3 ... 1-PA147,M1
http://books.google.com/books?vid=077C6 ... foy+thorne
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... efoy+thorn
I have even wondered if Thomas Dudley might have been presented with
an old seal of the Sutton-Dudley arms as a gift from his patrons/
employers, the Fiennes Clintons. It may have been deemed appropriate
"since everyone named Dudley is probably related" (at least in a lot
of minds, particularly at that time). Contrary to some opinions, I
would be more likely to believe the arms his had he used them somewhat
regularly during life, not merely affixed them to a will he knew would
be seen only after his death.
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Don Stone
Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t
Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
I have been told that the Newbury Street Press will be publishing a book
about the Dudley ancestry; its author is Brandon Fradd, who has
published, for example, in _The Genealogist_.
-- Don Stone
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.
I have been told that the Newbury Street Press will be publishing a book
about the Dudley ancestry; its author is Brandon Fradd, who has
published, for example, in _The Genealogist_.
-- Don Stone
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Nathaniel Taylor
... "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" ...
In article
<nathanieltaylor-D4D384.13510821022007@news.west.earthlink.net>,
I wrote:
I should say that a thoughtful, concise article based on Marshall's
research into the Thomas Bradbury ancestry, showing a *possible* royal
descent via the Whitgift and Fulnetby families, and substantially edited
(perhaps one should say written) by Martin Hollick, has just appeared in
the latest issue of the New England Historical and Genealogical
Register.
Thank you, Martin!
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
<nathanieltaylor-D4D384.13510821022007@news.west.earthlink.net>,
I wrote:
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.
I should say that a thoughtful, concise article based on Marshall's
research into the Thomas Bradbury ancestry, showing a *possible* royal
descent via the Whitgift and Fulnetby families, and substantially edited
(perhaps one should say written) by Martin Hollick, has just appeared in
the latest issue of the New England Historical and Genealogical
Register.
Thank you, Martin!
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
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Gjest
Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t
On Feb 21, 4:11 pm, Don Stone <don.st...@verizon.net> wrote:
It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.
Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
Your first snippet here reflects the conundrum (which mystified that
correspondent) of the two Capt. Henry Dudleys active at the same time,
of which Marshall was well aware. They are the second son of John, 4th
Baron Dudley, and the seventh son of John, Duke of Northumberland (this
latter had TWO sons named Henry). People were not well aware that
Ashton's co-conspirator was the son of Lord Dudley, not of
Northumberland, until more recently. I still wish this all could be
edited and see print.
I have been told that the Newbury Street Press will be publishing a book
about the Dudley ancestry; its author is Brandon Fradd, who has
published, for example, in _The Genealogist_.
-- Don Stone
It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.
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John Brandon
Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t
It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.
Oh no ... not one book, but two. Simple math tells us that if it
takes Brice McAdoo Clagett thirty years to complete one book it will
take Branden Fradd sixty years to complete two ... at which time we
(and possibly he) will be dead.
Ergo, we will never see this material.
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Gjest
Re: The question "Who was Sir Henry Dudley?" still remains t
On Feb 23, 9:37 am, "John Brandon" <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I feel your pain. I too have been waiting for Brice's all-my-ancestor
work for a long time. What can one do but hope? Research is long and
life happens in between. In a perfect world, genealogists would have
university places and publish much more often. There are many
esteemed genealogists whose work does get published frequently--Leslie
Mahler and Melinde Lutz Sanborn come to mind. We are all unique
individuals working on our own schedules.
But if you're reading this, Brice, Paul Reed, and Brandon, your work
is so good we want you to publish! Please do soon!
It is my understanding is that Mr. Fradd is writing two books, one on
Thomas Dudley and one on the Winslows. He has conducted much original
research into both problems. From emails with him, his research is
more positive on the Dudleys than the Winslows. My overlap with
Marshall's work was Bradbury and Winslow and not Thomas Dudley.
Oh no ... not one book, but two. Simple math tells us that if it
takes Brice McAdoo Clagett thirty years to complete one book it will
take Branden Fradd sixty years to complete two ... at which time we
(and possibly he) will be dead.
Ergo, we will never see this material.
I feel your pain. I too have been waiting for Brice's all-my-ancestor
work for a long time. What can one do but hope? Research is long and
life happens in between. In a perfect world, genealogists would have
university places and publish much more often. There are many
esteemed genealogists whose work does get published frequently--Leslie
Mahler and Melinde Lutz Sanborn come to mind. We are all unique
individuals working on our own schedules.
But if you're reading this, Brice, Paul Reed, and Brandon, your work
is so good we want you to publish! Please do soon!