Ap Rhese X Latimer of Duntish

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Ap Rhese X Latimer of Duntish

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 feb 2007 00:59:08

Can anybody help with the ancestry of Elizabeth Latimer, wife about
1560 of Isaac Ap Rhese of Washingley. She is said to be d/o and
heiress of Robert Latimer of Duntinsh in "The Visitation of
Huntingdonshire" (1613), Camden Society, London (1849), p. 31
(pedigree of AP RHESE).

Thank you kindly

Jean Bunot

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Re: Ap Rhese X Latimer of Duntish

Legg inn av Robert Forrest » 07 feb 2007 04:35:49

I don't think so.It's Duntish, not Duntinsh, and it's in Dorset. The last Latimer of Duntish was Edith Latimer, sole heir of Sir Nicholas L. (1429-1505), attainted and then un-attainted. There was no Robert Latimer of Duntish

Try these:
1. Hutchins' "Hist. and Antiqs. of Dorset", 3rd Revised Edition, 4 vols., 1861-1873.
2. Robert Leigh Ward's article in The Genealogist 6:166-186, 1985, on the ancestry of Henry Sampson.
3. Website on the manor of Zeals(Seals), Wiltshire, at http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/g ... hp?id=1360 , has this:
"...Upon Lord Stourton's attainder...all his rights in the manor were forfeited to the person on whom the overlordship had descended from William Govis, the original grantor. This was proved to be Lewes, Lord Mordaunt, and in 1567 he proceeded by action of ejectment to recover it from William Chafyn, the son of Thomas, the lessee. It was necessary for Lord Mordaunt, in order to establish his title, to prove his heirship, and this was done by records produced in court. It was shown by Inquisition that William de Govis died in 1299 and that amongst his possessions he held a knight's fee in "Seles" in capite of Richard Fitz John, which fee Walter de Ailesbury held under him in socage under an annual rent of 12d., and that his heirs were his two daughters, Joan and Alice. [Esch. 27 Edw. I., No. 53.] Joan soon after was married to John de Latimer, and Alice became the wife of Robert de Musters, or Monasteriis, but died in 1311 without issue, leaving her sister Joan her heir, who thereby became owner of the entirety. It was proved also that the manor was held by successive generations of the Latimer family until the reign of Henry VII., when Sir Nicholas Latimer, who died in 1505, was s
ucceeded by his only daughter and heiress, Edith, wife of Sir John Mordaunt, grandfather of Lewes, Lord Mordaunt, the plaintiff in the action, and a verdict was returned in his favour. It is known that his son sold the bulk of his paternal estates in the West, and there is no doubt that the manor of Zeals Ailesbury was then purchased by William Chafyn, Mr. Chafyn Grove's ancestor."

Bob Forrest

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Re: Ap Rhese X Latimer of Duntish

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 feb 2007 03:01:34

Thank you kindly. Then maybe a Robert Latimer descendant of a
collateral branch or subbranch of the Latimer of Duntish ?

By the way, being familiar mostly with genealogy in France can anybody
tell me if the "Visitations" are usually relyable sources.

Jean Bunot

Robert Forrest wrote:
I don't think so.It's Duntish, not Duntinsh, and it's in Dorset. The last Latimer of Duntish was Edith Latimer, sole heir of Sir Nicholas L. (1429-1505), attainted and then un-attainted. There was no Robert Latimer of Duntish

Try these:
1. Hutchins' "Hist. and Antiqs. of Dorset", 3rd Revised Edition, 4 vols., 1861-1873.
2. Robert Leigh Ward's article in The Genealogist 6:166-186, 1985, on the ancestry of Henry Sampson.
3. Website on the manor of Zeals(Seals), Wiltshire, at http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/g ... hp?id=1360 , has this:
"...Upon Lord Stourton's attainder...all his rights in the manor were forfeited to the person on whom the overlordship had descended from William Govis, the original grantor. This was proved to be Lewes, Lord Mordaunt, and in 1567 he proceeded by action of ejectment to recover it from William Chafyn, the son of Thomas, the lessee. It was necessary for Lord Mordaunt, in order to establish his title, to prove his heirship, and this was done by records produced in court. It was shown by Inquisition that William de Govis died in 1299 and that amongst his possessions he held a knight's fee in "Seles" in capite of Richard Fitz John, which fee Walter de Ailesbury held under him in socage under an annual rent of 12d., and that his heirs were his two daughters, Joan and Alice. [Esch. 27 Edw. I., No. 53.] Joan soon after was married to John de Latimer, and Alice became the wife of Robert de Musters, or Monasteriis, but died in 1311 without issue, leaving her sister Joan her heir, who thereby became owner of the entirety. It was proved also that the manor was held by successive generations of the Latimer family until the reign of Henry VII., when Sir Nicholas Latimer, who died in 1505, was
succeeded by his only daughter and heiress, Edith, wife of Sir John Mordaunt, grandfather of Lewes, Lord Mordaunt, the plaintiff in the action, and a verdict was returned in his favour. It is known that his son sold the bulk of his paternal estates in the West, and there is no doubt that the manor of Zeals Ailesbury was then purchased by William Chafyn, Mr. Chafyn Grove's ancestor."

Bob Forrest

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