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Fw: Gateway Gaffe ? Adam Hawkes

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 04 feb 2007 09:16:01

Dear Spencer,

There was an obvious contradiction, but you did not mention it. Starting to
live in one place in 1638 and marrying circa 1631, when others say he was
not in the country until roughly 1634 should have caught your attention and
mention it. Things like that usually do not escape your attention. Someone
mentioned to me a marriage by proxy with Adam in England and Ann Hutchinson
in North America, but that doesn't seem likely, but could that be the
answer?
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval,soc.history.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Gateway Gaffe ? Adam Hawkes


"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
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The plot thickens................................

Family lore has him in 1630 on the Winthrop Fleet.................

Tony, has him arrive in 1634 (based on Adam's wife)

Eldon Olson has him not as yet arrived in 1633 (The Great Migration
Begins)

Spencer Hines, gives the surprise but did not realise it : He has him
settle in Charlestown in lynn 1638 and married circa 1631, as her second
husband...........................................

What makes you think I "didn't realize" that, Leo.

Further, I don't have him settle or marry or anything else -- it is
Roberts and Reitwiesner who do.

I made it quite clear the information came from their book and gave a full
citation of their source, or one of them. WAR should be able to speak to
this.

Please quote me accurately, sans "simplification".

Aloha,

DSH

In a website I find that Adam Hawkes married circa 1631 Anne daughter of
Edward Brown and Jane Lide in Charlestown or Lynn, MA. She was the widow
of
Thomas Hutchinson with several Hutchinson children.

If Adam Hawkes arrives in 1634 (Tony) or not yet in 1633 (Eldon) how can
he
marry in the USA circa 1631?

The question arrises when did his wife tell he arrived in 1634------she
must have known they married ca.1631. Was this many years after the
event? Had
she forgotten?

With many thanks. I think it is a puzzle worth solving.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
------------------------------------------

Leo, _American Ancestors and Cousins of the Princess of Wales_ does place
Adam Hawkes in the Winthrop Fleet. Roberts and Reitweisner also have Adam
as ---- baptized Higham, Norfolk, England 26 Jan 1605 as Adam and son of
John Hawke. He reportedly died in Lynn, Massachusetts, 13 Mar 1671/72.
[p.
31]. No mention of the ship he arrived in.

He allegedly settled in Charlestown, in Lynn 1638 and married 1)
Charlestown,
circa 1631, as her second husband.

The source used by Roberts and Reitweisner, or at least one of them, is
Smith, Ethel Farrington _Adam Hawkes of Saugus, Mass., 1605-1672: The
First
Six Generations in America_, Baltimore, 1980, pp. 1-31.

If you can find that book perhaps your dilemma will be resolved, perhaps
not. Does anyone here have it?

The Winthrop Fleet story may just be Family Lore.

All Best Wishes,

DSH


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D. Spencer Hines

Re: Gateway Gaffe ? Adam Hawkes

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 04 feb 2007 09:49:51

Leo, THINK for a change.

I simply posted what I thought would be useful to you.

No good deed goes unpunished.

You didn't even have the courtesy to acknowledge what I posted -- initially.

I made it quite clear I was REPORTING, not analyzing and taking a position,
because I didn't have sufficient data to do that.

When I posted, I had not yet seen Anthony's post -- so there was no
"contradiction" that I failed to realize and address.

The R &R book on the American Ancestors of Diana, Princess of Wales is a
standard source.

If you are working on New England 17th Century Americans, you'd be wise to
have it -- obviously you do not.

Perhaps Bill Reitwiesner [WAR] can shed some light on these issues. He's a
co-author of the book.

DSH

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2699.1170576988.30800.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

Dear Spencer,

There was an obvious contradiction, but you did not mention it. Starting
to live in one place in 1638 and marrying circa 1631, when others say he
was not in the country until roughly 1634 should have caught your
attention and mention it. Things like that usually do not escape your
attention. Someone mentioned to me a marriage by proxy with Adam in
England and Ann Hutchinson in North America, but that doesn't seem likely,
but could that be the answer?
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval,soc.history.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Gateway Gaffe ? Adam Hawkes
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2695.1170573565.30800.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

The plot thickens................................

Family lore has him in 1630 on the Winthrop Fleet.................

Tony, has him arrive in 1634 (based on Adam's wife)

Eldon Olson has him not as yet arrived in 1633 (The Great Migration
Begins)

Spencer Hines, gives the surprise but did not realise it : He has him
settle in Charlestown in lynn 1638 and married circa 1631, as her second
husband...........................................

What makes you think I "didn't realize" that, Leo.

Further, I don't have him settle or marry or anything else -- it is
Roberts and Reitwiesner who do.

I made it quite clear the information came from their book and gave a
full citation of their source, or one of them. WAR should be able to
speak to this.

Please quote me accurately, sans "simplification".

Aloha,

DSH

In a website I find that Adam Hawkes married circa 1631 Anne daughter of
Edward Brown and Jane Lide in Charlestown or Lynn, MA. She was the widow
of
Thomas Hutchinson with several Hutchinson children.

If Adam Hawkes arrives in 1634 (Tony) or not yet in 1633 (Eldon) how can
he
marry in the USA circa 1631?

The question arrises when did his wife tell he arrived in 1634------she
must have known they married ca.1631. Was this many years after the
event? Had
she forgotten?

With many thanks. I think it is a puzzle worth solving.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
------------------------------------------

Leo, _American Ancestors and Cousins of the Princess of Wales_ does place
Adam Hawkes in the Winthrop Fleet. Roberts and Reitweisner also have
Adam
as ---- baptized Higham, Norfolk, England 26 Jan 1605 as Adam and son of
John Hawke. He reportedly died in Lynn, Massachusetts, 13 Mar 1671/72.
[p.
31]. No mention of the ship he arrived in.

He allegedly settled in Charlestown, in Lynn 1638 and married 1)
Charlestown,
circa 1631, as her second husband.

The source used by Roberts and Reitweisner, or at least one of them, is
Smith, Ethel Farrington _Adam Hawkes of Saugus, Mass., 1605-1672: The
First
Six Generations in America_, Baltimore, 1980, pp. 1-31.

If you can find that book perhaps your dilemma will be resolved, perhaps
not. Does anyone here have it?

The Winthrop Fleet story may just be Family Lore.

All Best Wishes,

DSH


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